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16 minutes ago, martin swan said:

You seem to overlook the fact that it IS Italian ... so far no-one has disputed who made the Cannone, thank God.

Are you sure?

I happened to hear a couple of Italian luthiers also raise doubts about the authenticity of the Cannone, indicating the excessive thickness as too unusual for Del Gesù.

What to say, negationism has no limits.:o

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29 minutes ago, ShadowStrad said:

I just came across this.  https://www.forbes.com/2001/01/10/0110connguide.html?sh=603594a3269a I found it interesting.

That's a pretty old article... try some more current texts.

4 minutes ago, ShadowStrad said:

The only reason I posed the question in the first place is that I heard the violin world was split 50/50 on the matter.

I think you heard wrong... As I said, this has been discussed many times here.

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5 hours ago, Urban Luthier said:

Scientifically the dendro report by @Ratcliffiddles noted above has to be the final word.  

For those who continue to doubt (unlikely anyone here) - I have two simple questions:

  • Have you seen the Ashmolean Messiah?
  • Have you see any of the Vuillaume's supposedly copied from the Messiah?

For those who have seen both the answers are simple: one looks like a fine instrument from the Strad workshop - the others look like Vuillames. 

Yes, he very decidedly proved that a second Strad violin was actually made by Vuillaume... just kidding... please don’t ban me.

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4 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

I am still unclear on the dominant opinion on the subject, but knowing what we do about Vuiiluame’s skill, ambition, and character, it’s entirely possible he made it.

I always wondered how Rocca managed to produce Messiah models before Vuillaume supposedly "made the fiddle" (acquired it)... in 1854 if memory serves me....  :)  No, I don't think so Phillip.

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32 minutes ago, ShadowStrad said:

I heard the violin world was split 50/50 on the matter.

It's not about getting a consensus. Not everyone's expertise is equal. When it comes to some instruments, it might take only a couple experts to trump everyone else.

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29 minutes ago, TimRobinson said:

.  What is scary is that it is almost ten years ago: 

 

Ten years where does the time go...  Ten years ago I could have bought bitcoin for next to nothing and i'd be rich enough to buy a real Strad now.  Hindsight is 2020

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7 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

Vuillaume also “made” a copy of Paganini's “Canone”. The (marketing) yarn was that Paganini couldn’t tell the difference when he came to fetch his fiddle. That copy now lives in the same glass case in the council house in Genua as the “Canone”, so you can tell from across the room for a fact, that Paganini must have had a great big white walking stick

I thought that Vuillaume was Hilary Hahn's main fiddle? Does she own a different Cannone copy?

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8 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

Have you heard that Anna Magdalena really wrote Bach’s solo suites?

it’s true!!

 

or not...

And coincidentally you need ESP to tell the difference between her handwriting and her husband's.  If the vertical alignment is sloppy enough, then it's hers.  Kind of a backhanded compliment.

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14 hours ago, Davide Sora said:

Are you sure?

I happened to hear a couple of Italian luthiers also raise doubts about the authenticity of the Cannone, indicating the excessive thickness as too unusual for Del Gesù.

What to say, negationism has no limits.:o

I’m slightly disappointed that no one has decided to pursue your post...

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