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19 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said:

1. No, not a Chanot on any day, good or bad. Neither a Strad or Guarneri model.

2. Markneukirchen, Germany C.1900.

3. The neck has been smashed out of the body, and very poorly repaired.

4. Pretty standard trade violin, with bad damage and poorly executed repairs to neck, back & ribs.

I concur - I'm afraid this doesn't bear any relation to Georges Chanot.

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Purfling on the bottom rib is common from german trade violins? I have also read that the black paint on the inside of the f holes is a giveaway that you have a german trade violin.

What else sticks out like a sore thumb?

In taking the pictures I noticed that the f holes and center bouts of the violin were shockingly wonky.

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Seems like a good rule of thumb is that if the label looks like it was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls it is 100% fake as there is no reason for a label inside a violin to be worn, frayed, or burned around the edges. It is always just the edges too, never obscuring the "maker" name :)

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17 minutes ago, glebert said:

Seems like a good rule of thumb is that if the label looks like it was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls it is 100% fake as there is no reason for a label inside a violin to be worn, frayed, or burned around the edges. It is always just the edges too, never obscuring the "maker" name :)

I don't know that that's true. If "antiquing" of the instrument was a viable option, so was "antiquing" of the label. Why not?

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4 hours ago, glebert said:

Seems like a good rule of thumb is that if the label looks like it was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls it is 100% fake as there is no reason for a label inside a violin to be worn, frayed, or burned around the edges. It is always just the edges too, never obscuring the "maker" name :)

 

4 hours ago, Rue said:

I don't know that that's true. If "antiquing" of the instrument was a viable option, so was "antiquing" of the label. Why not?

No, glebert is entirely right. An original violin label that spends a couple of centuries snugly hiding inside a violin is not subject to any attrition, perhaps darkens a little, but doesn’t go brown or have torn edges. A couple of examples

The OP label is almost certainly one of these 

 

Weber Zettel.jpg

Strnad_zettel.jpg

Mayr zettel 1725.jpg

Engleder Label.jpg

Anton Fischer label.jpg

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11 hours ago, Rue said:

I don't know that that's true. If "antiquing" of the instrument was a viable option, so was "antiquing" of the label. Why not?

I can see your point, but can't imagine a skilled maker putting in a label with an accurate name and date but then roughing the label. I have seen makers here on MN express that they only do antiquing because that is what clients want, but can't see them doing the labels as well. Anything is possible of course.

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34 minutes ago, glebert said:

I can see your point, but can't imagine a skilled maker putting in a label with an accurate name and date but then roughing the label. I have seen makers here on MN express that they only do antiquing because that is what clients want, but can't see them doing the labels as well. Anything is possible of course.

Yes...but...:rolleyes:

With all the 'fakery' built into the business...I don't see why they'd NOT make a label look tattered...it's quick and easy...

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21 minutes ago, Rue said:

Yes...but...:rolleyes:

With all the 'fakery' built into the business...I don't see why they'd NOT make a label look tattered...it's quick and easy...

IMHO I think once you get into the fakery side of it the assumption should be the maker and date on the label are fake as well. 

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