Old violin ID, please advice!


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Hello!  I have found this old violin that to me does not look like anything else I've seen (quite frankly I am not experienced and haven't seen a lot). Though having read so many ID posts on MN, I find it quite hard to put this under any familiar category... I am posting this solely for educational purposes. I assume it has quite a severe case of sunken purfling, and I doubt it being Italian related, as suggested by the labels. Please advice :)

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1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said:

I would speculate on something from the Chappuy direction, although French fiddles are not my department

Thanks Jacob! Any advice from you is quite educational to me :)

1 hour ago, Shelbow said:

I like the look of it whatever it is. For some reason my silly brain always thinks Dutch when sometihng looks like this, but I know that is not correct. 

It at least have some slight Italian look, which I really liked,  and I thought the same thing about being Dutch too! But since Jacob pointed to a different direction, I'd probably have a second thought :ph34r:

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Is it yours, actually at hand, or copied somewhere from the internet? We should know a bit more about the internal work, wood of linings and blocks, if the ribs are set into channels of the back , depth of scroll fluting, lower rib etc. The pinched rib corners and the purfling are pointing in my eyes at first sight more in the direction of "the usual", or maybe something British, with an slightly unusual edgework, but more details would be helpful to confirm or disprove it.

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4 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

Never seen a scroll grafted like this one is, is is that a repair?

Hi Philip, if you are referring to the scratch on the outside of the pegbox, it is solely a scratch. The graft is quite normal, slightly hard to tell from the picture I uploaded. It should be quite obvious from this angle. 

1 hour ago, Blank face said:

Is it yours, actually at hand, or copied somewhere from the internet? We should know a bit more about the internal work, wood of linings and blocks, if the ribs are set into channels of the back , depth of scroll fluting, lower rib etc.

Thanks BF. I do not own this violin. It is for sale for 8000usd, which I consider quite over priced :ph34r:. But I am probably not qualified to make that claim anyways. Here is a few more photos that may help. The fluting on the scroll looks like it ends at around 6:30 to 7:00.

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21 minutes ago, germain said:

There is something really cool and odd about it ath the same time. What does the manuscript label read? I clearly see Fecit in Cremona 1700 but I cannot read the writing above. I think I see "Guarneri Giuseppe"?

I had the same feeling. I see Giuseppe for sure, not sure about Guarneri, but now you've mentioned it I think its quite plausible. :)

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On 12/2/2020 at 2:18 AM, Blank face said:

Is it yours, actually at hand, or copied somewhere from the internet?

It is from one of those infamous eBay sellers from the south of France.

Not mine, nor anybody I know.

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