TALLENCAS@GMAIL.COM Posted November 24, 2020 Report Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) Greetings All. Great Site here! Seems as though so many members are.very knowledgeable. Amazing and Creative Folks seem to offer good information. I've come into a very beautiful Violin in original Case. Vuillaume des Petite Champe 46 it says on inside. Any ideas or additional thoughts on value and condition would be greatly appreciated. It comes with original Case an extra String (old original package) and a Drezden string piece (wood) and beautiful A.Breton Bow Edited November 24, 2020 by TALLENCAS@GMAIL.COM Add and Delete photos
PhilipKT Posted November 24, 2020 Report Posted November 24, 2020 Just for future reference, pictures of the case are completely unnecessary. At the beginning of this section there is a guide to photographing violins, and I it is very helpful. Also, the bow is possibly of interest as well, so pertinent photographs of the bow would be welcome.
TALLENCAS@GMAIL.COM Posted November 24, 2020 Author Report Posted November 24, 2020 Excellent. Thank You for taking time to send reply. I appreciate the advice. I'll delete case photos and Enhance and Add Bow Photos.
Violadamore Posted November 24, 2020 Report Posted November 24, 2020 Vuillaume during his Markneukirchen period. How does it sound? I like the cool-looking old Kodak camera.
Rue Posted November 24, 2020 Report Posted November 24, 2020 I'd ignore the extra string too. Too old. If it's playable you will need a new set.
ChicagoDogs Posted November 24, 2020 Report Posted November 24, 2020 Some nice sharp corners on that... must be from Cremona or France
J-G Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 It's not gonna sound great with the bridge in the wrong place,. And oh— does it have a back?
W.C. Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 Legend has it that Vuillaume travelled to Markneukirchen during his honeymoon. He fell in love with the town immediately and in a period of a few months, he made thousands of instruments in a crude, rushing manner. Many were sold to the States and remained uncovered on eBay...
Violadamore Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, W.C. said: Legend has it that Vuillaume travelled to Markneukirchen during his honeymoon. He fell in love with the town immediately and in a period of a few months, he made thousands of instruments in a crude, rushing manner. Many were sold to the States and remained uncovered on eBay... He was inspired to do this by a similar legend about Stradivarius.
W.C. Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Violadamore said: He was inspired to do this by a similar legend about Stradivarius. Oh Definitely! I think it was a tradition for prominent violinmakers back then. DG did it as well
Violadamore Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, W.C. said: Oh Definitely! I think it was a tradition for prominent violinmakers back then. DG did it as well Don't forget Stainer, who also spent some time in Mittenwald, besides.
W.C. Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Violadamore said: Don't forget Stainer, who also spent some time in Mittenwald, besides. Yes that's right! He's the one who loves stamping all his violins below the button when he worked there
PaganiniVuillaume Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, Violadamore said: He was inspired to do this by a similar legend about Stradivarius. So Antonio Stradivarius isn't German?!?!?!?! Those Ebay sellers who claimed to be his descendents seemed so genuine
Violadamore Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, bsharma8 said: So Antonio Stradivarius isn't German?!?!?!?! Those Ebay sellers who claimed to be his descendents seemed so genuine Rumor has it that many eBay sellers are probably confused about their ancestry. For instance, I've noticed some who seem to have an infinite number of grandparents.
TALLENCAS@GMAIL.COM Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Posted November 25, 2020 9 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: about 50 quid For the Bow and String??
W.C. Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Violadamore said: an infinite number of grandparents. That is hilarious. And their infinite grandparents owned infinite houses with attics that had a strad sitting in there.
matesic Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/24/2020 at 3:18 AM, TALLENCAS@GMAIL.COM said: Greetings All. Great Site here! Seems as though so many members are.very knowledgeable. Amazing and Creative Folks seem to offer good information. I've come into a very beautiful Violin in original Case. Vuillaume des Petite Champe 46 it says on inside. Any ideas or additional thoughts on value and condition would be greatly appreciated. It comes with original Case an extra String (old original package) and a Drezden string piece (wood) and beautiful A.Breton Bow Ignore everything you read here, they're just being creative. Even Jacob's estimated value is a little ungenerous.
W.C. Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, matesic said: Ignore everything you read here, they're just being creative. Even Jacob's estimated value is a little ungenerous. 27 minutes ago, matesic said: Greetings All. Great Site here! Seems as though so many members are.very knowledgeable. Amazing and Creative Folks seem to offer good information. I've come into a very beautiful Violin in original Case. Vuillaume des Petite Champe 46 it says on inside. Any ideas or additional thoughts on value and condition would be greatly appreciated. It comes with original Case an extra String (old original package) and a Drezden string piece (wood) and beautiful A.Breton Bow Back to serious business... Welcome first of all! It is indeed an old violin, probably 20th century German work, and most likely made in a town called Markneukirchen, where millions of trade violins like yours were made and labeled with facsimile labels. The few makers that we joked about were among the most copied makers (if you google their names, you will find their violin typically sells for hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars), plus obviously, they were not from, or not even remotely related Markneukirchen. Millions of violins with false labels were sold from Markneukirchen to other parts of the world, across Europe, the Americas, and so on. These labels typically don't mean anything because in most cases the violins don't even resemble their label's model (Yours might have some slight Vuillaume look). Your violin most definitely falls in the aforementioned category (to say for sure we would need better photos). It is in pretty good condition. However, these trade violins typically hold very little commercial value, and in most cases they hold more sentimental value. Given the condition, the craftsmanship and everything else I can observe from your photos, I would place the commercial value of the set at around $100~150 (IMHO).
Violadamore Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, matesic said: Ignore everything you read here, they're just being creative. Even Jacob's estimated value is a little ungenerous. Spoilsport! On 11/23/2020 at 10:18 PM, TALLENCAS@GMAIL.COM said: Greetings All. Great Site here! Seems as though so many members are.very knowledgeable. Amazing and Creative Folks seem to offer good information. I've come into a very beautiful Violin in original Case. Vuillaume des Petite Champe 46 it says on inside. Any ideas or additional thoughts on value and condition would be greatly appreciated. It comes with original Case an extra String (old original package) and a Drezden string piece (wood) and beautiful A.Breton Bow Welcome to Maestronet!! From what little I can see from your photographs, you have a German trade fiddle (student violin) from the early 20th. Century, made in the Markneukirchen area, Figuring out its possible value will require photographs as described in this topic: Darn! WC types a lot faster than I do.
W.C. Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Violadamore said: iguring out its possible value will require photographs as described in this topic: If you know in some software / video games, a novice player is required to complete some "tutorial courses" before getting to the main part, I feel like this post should be made into one of those for MN.
HoGo Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 From the size of tailpiece this may be fractional instrument like 3/4?. Or a viola tailpece... What is length of body?
W.C. Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, HoGo said: From the size of tailpiece this may be fractional instrument like 3/4? I had the same doubt...
jacobsaunders Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 I find my appraisement of this violin in it’s as is state realistic, and asking the poor OP to take new photos, or what the grotty thing “sounds like” amounts to wanton mischievous engagement of an unknown 3rd. Party, who might well have something better to do with his time
GeorgeH Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 54 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: I find my appraisement of this violin in it’s as is state realistic, and asking the poor OP to take new photos, or what the grotty thing “sounds like” amounts to wanton mischievous engagement of an unknown 3rd. Party, who might well have something better to do with his time Yes, exactly.
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