germain Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 ... just finished putting it together. Seems mint as far as cracks and repairs but as you can see it has multiple varnish blemishes and in some places pretty worn out in the shoulder back area and left hand third position areas. The sound is very projecting almost piercing and direct with incredible amount of volume. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Delabo Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 If you ignore the label what would have been your own conclusion as to what you have ? It does not tick all the obvious clues for the usual. It will be interesting to hear the experts comments on it. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deans Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 What's your question? Looks like a good serviceable fiddle to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 To me this is a nice Mirecourt violin - there's nothing that would really make me think of Audinot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted November 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 29 minutes ago, martin swan said: To me this is a nice Mirecourt violin - there's nothing that would really make me think of Audinot. Yeah Mirecourt indeed... but isn't everything Mirecourt? I won't forget Rene Morel when he said to me "... there is no French violin made in Paris" Here is my former "Audinot" which was Rampal certified. It was an unusual Strad model as he preferred the "Del Gesu" I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 The corners amongst other things look rather clumsy compared to your real Audinot! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted November 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 hours ago, fiddlecollector said: The corners amongst other things look rather clumsy compared to your real Audinot! Perhaps it is not so visible on the photos but small pieces of the corners of the OP violin are actually chipped off... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 I cant believe every corner has lost its shape evenly. Look at the f hole wings ,they are completely wrong. Do you think its genuine??? looks like a generic Mirecourt to me . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted November 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 hours ago, fiddlecollector said: I cant believe every corner has lost its shape evenly. Look at the f hole wings ,they are completely wrong. Do you think its genuine??? looks like a generic Mirecourt to me . I don't know. Perhaps a higher end Mirecourt but wanted to see the forum's opinion. I am also wondering if anyone has a del Gesu model Audinot pix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Delabo Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, germain said: I don't know. Perhaps a higher end Mirecourt but wanted to see the forum's opinion. I am also wondering if anyone has a del Gesu model Audinot pix Michael Darnton has a couple up on his site in this old thread, he says he has owned six .Del gesu models and that was in 2004, so he seems a bit of an expert on that model................... https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/249646-violin-by-nestor-audinot/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 hours ago, germain said: I am also wondering if anyone has a del Gesu model Audinot pix Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 One regular feature of Nestor Audinot, not immediately visible on these photos, is that the scroll tends to narrow down very suddenly with an obvious ramp as it hits the level of the bottom of the volute (ie just above the A peg). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 Its not a Del gesu model, its a Strad model with strange corners and F holes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, fiddlecollector said: Its not a Del gesu model, its a Strad model with strange corners and F holes. Are you talking about mine? It's exactly the same model as the two of Michael's that you liked so much in 2006 Whether it's very faithful to del Gesu or not is a moot point, but for me it's more like a DG than a Strad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 No the OP violin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Delabo Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 45 minutes ago, fiddlecollector said: Its not a Del gesu model, its a Strad model with strange corners and F holes. Is it because the OP violin has flat lower F-wings and the Del Gesu models lower F-wings should be fluted that you are saying this ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, fiddlecollector said: No the OP violin OK got you - we are in perfect agreement! 18 hours ago, germain said: Yeah Mirecourt indeed... but isn't everything Mirecourt? I won't forget Rene Morel when he said to me "... there is no French violin made in Paris" ... a witty bon mot which sounds impressive but is demonstrably untrue! 18 hours ago, germain said: Here is my former "Audinot" which was Rampal certified. It was an unusual Strad model as he preferred the "Del Gesu" I guess. You dumped it so soon? I have been following that violin's fortunes for a while, doesn't seem like anyone holds on to it for very long ... or did you buy it to sell it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Delabo said: Is it because the OP violin has flat lower F-wings and the Del Gesu models lower F-wings should be fluted that you are saying this ? Lack of refined fluting, also the f holes look more Guarneri than Strad, but the overall body shape looks Strad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted November 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 hours ago, martin swan said: You dumped it so soon? I have been following that violin's fortunes for a while, doesn't seem like anyone holds on to it for very long ... or did you buy it to sell it? Bought it from Brian and then someone fell in love with it as I fell in love with a Tarisio fiddle. Had to do the swap as I needed the $. It was an amazing fiddle in many ways... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted November 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 Speaking of corners the picture Martin posted looks more like the corners of my OP. My former real AUDINOT had giant square like corners quite different from both other instruments no? I am very corner confused right now. Also there is some kind of warmth coming from the varnish of the Audinot violins. Not the case with the OP violin. It’s more ore less the standard brown chippy Mirecourt varnish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, germain said: Speaking of corners the picture Martin posted looks more like the corners of my OP. Best to look at the back corners as they are less susceptible to erosion. The corners on your Strad model and our DG model are different but they are both unusually long. The corners on the first violin you posted are more economical ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 56 minutes ago, martin swan said: Best to look at the back corners as they are less susceptible to erosion. The corners on your Strad model and our DG model are different but they are both unusually long. The corners on the first violin you posted are more economical ... I see... thank you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 7:28 PM, fiddlecollector said: On 11/4/2020 at 11:49 AM, martin swan said: One regular feature of Nestor Audinot, not immediately visible on these photos, is that the scroll tends to narrow down very suddenly with an obvious ramp as it hits the level of the bottom of the volute (ie just above the A peg). On this particular violin I have noticed the scroll is quite beautiful. Perhaps better than rest of the instrument. This one seems to narrow down sharply as well right above A strings peg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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