bsharma8 Report post Posted October 23 Hi, Could someone help me identify the style of maker this bow head is shaped in? I personally think it is Ouchard but not too sure. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik Kyklo Report post Posted October 23 Hello. Maybe. Question is why are you interested about style on that particular head? Are you bow maker, restorer or player? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsharma8 Report post Posted October 23 3 minutes ago, Nik Kyklo said: Question is why are you interested about style on that particular head? Are you bow maker, restorer or player? I bought the bow and the maker who made it maybe 40 years ago couldn't remember what style he was going for as he has his own head style now. So I was curious to see what MN had to say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik Kyklo Report post Posted October 23 Thanks for the information. The bow has bad finish at inlay, plus a crack as I see from low resolution picture. It is not a good job... Which is the name of the maker? 40 years bow making has to be well known. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Report post Posted October 23 5 hours ago, Nik Kyklo said: The bow has bad finish at inlay, a crack as I see from low resolution picture. It is not a good job... Which is the name of the maker? 40 years bow making has to be well known. If the bow is 40 years old and has been rehaired a number of times, how can you be sure the maker is responsible for the crack in the nose? Maybe the OP dropped it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilipKT Report post Posted October 23 I’d like to see a better photograph, and a picture or two of the frog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Report post Posted October 23 The finish on the bow looks fine to me,why because it has an open grain ?? The tip as Martin says could have been knocked at any time ,i suspect the bow as a more recent ivory tip ,ebony veneer under the tip looks a little thin. Bow head shape and chamfers look respectable to me! Nose could would look better with a little up curve but that ay have been lost when the tip was damaged.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik Kyklo Report post Posted October 23 double post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik Kyklo Report post Posted October 23 1 minute ago, fiddlecollector said: Thefinish on the bow looks fine to me,why because it has an open grain ?? The tip of the inlay.. Not varnish.. English are not my mother language. Sorry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Report post Posted October 23 1 minute ago, Nik Kyklo said: The tip of the inlay.. Not varnish.. English are not my mother language. Sorry. Right i understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Report post Posted October 23 I guess he's talking about the dark liner at the nose. Of course this and the headplate seem to be later replacements. But this hasn't much to do with the OP question. I agree that it looks similar to Ouchard/Cuniot, but could have also have a lot in common with other Mirecourt makers or shops. A picture of the frog and adjuster could help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilipKT Report post Posted October 23 I’ve seen a few Ouchard bows but the stain of the wood was always darker. Was that not a consistent feature from maker to maker? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsharma8 Report post Posted October 23 40 minutes ago, martin swan said: Planning to do a bit of online shaming? If the bow is 40 years old and has been rehaired a number of times, how can you be sure the maker is responsible for the crack in the nose? Maybe the OP dropped it Martin, what do you think the depreciation should be for the crack? I'm beginning to think i overpaid since I missed that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsharma8 Report post Posted October 23 3 minutes ago, PhilipKT said: I’ve seen a few Ouchard bows but the stain of the wood was always darker. Was that not a consistent feature from maker to maker? Pic looks brighter, I'll take more after work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Report post Posted October 23 5 minutes ago, bsharma8 said: Martin, what do you think the depreciation should be for the crack? I'm beginning to think i overpaid since I missed that. It's not in a very critical part of the head, but any crack/defect in the head is problematic. I think maybe 10% down from the price of the equivalent bow in excellent condition ... but I'm probably overly severe about condition issues in bows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsharma8 Report post Posted October 23 15 minutes ago, martin swan said: It's not in a very critical part of the head, but any crack/defect in the head is problematic. I think maybe 10% down from the price of the equivalent bow in excellent condition ... but I'm probably overly severe about condition issues in bows. So the maker's current bows go for about 12-15k, I'll be honest. I picked it up for 1.5k since it was made before he got famous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik Kyklo Report post Posted October 23 Crack was not noticed by the buyer since he missed that, when he bought it. So, the maker sold it with a crack?? Please, I kindly ask because I do not understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strad O Various Jr. Report post Posted October 23 The OP never said he bought it 40 yrs ago, he said it was made 40 yrs ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik Kyklo Report post Posted October 23 58 minutes ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: The OP never said he bought it 40 yrs ago, he said it was made 40 yrs ago. He said he bought it before maker was famous. Can you be famous in 1 2 years in bow making? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strad O Various Jr. Report post Posted October 23 4 minutes ago, Nik Kyklo said: He said he bought it before maker was famous. Can you be famous in 1 2 years in bow making? No, you're wrong, he didn't say; that he said it was made before the maker was famous, not he bought it before he was famous, are you using google translate or something?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsharma8 Report post Posted October 23 5 minutes ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: No, you're wrong, he didn't say; that he said it was made before the maker was famous, not he bought it before he was famous, are you using google translate or something?? I bought it recently. It was made before the maker was famous. I did not buy it from the maker directly. I gave price as a comparison. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsharma8 Report post Posted October 23 Also the seller has agreed to take it back if i want, I'm just wondering if it'll hold value the same way now. I have no problem returning it but for the price I think it is still okay. Maybe someone can comment on that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strad O Various Jr. Report post Posted October 23 Looks like it may be a reasonable deal, you might ask for a 10% discount because of the crack, seeing as he didn't mention it?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bsharma8 Report post Posted October 23 2 minutes ago, Strad O Various Jr. said: Looks like it may be a reasonable deal, you might ask for a 10% discount because of the crack, seeing as he didn't mention it?? I was thinking that but since I already negotiated it down from 1800, not sure if it would be considered bad faith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strad O Various Jr. Report post Posted October 23 Don't push it then, I assume its silver mount, $1500 for a hand made by one good maker silver mount bow should be worth $1500 IF you like the playing characteristics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
