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Garth E.

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I've been trying to figure out if my 3/4 violin is possibly French made. I've been reading the many posts here and of course I could be wrong, but I've thought maybe it is French. Maybe late 19th c. Mirecourt. To me the scroll and the f holes suggested French school. No label. Repair made in 1888. Thank-you for your patience with my inquiries.  










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2 minutes ago, ChicagoDogs said:

Also, Garth - very interesting vintage newspaper reprints (I assume) on the table!

Thanks Chicago Dogs, the British connection was suggested once by a luthier. However Jacob suggests Saxon...and the notch. 

 The newspapers are authentic civil war papers. I still have a few left. At one time I had hundreds of old documents and that kind of thing. I've had to let go of many things over the years.

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1716: A New Guild in Klingental, Saxony

Some members of the guild of Markneukirchen lived a

few miles north in Klingental. Three of them, and the

widow of another Master, decided to found their own guild

on January 24, 1716, much to the disapproval of the Markneukirchen

guild, which tried to prevent it.

Among them was Caspar Hopff (1651-1711), who is

also on the list of the founding members of the

Markneukirchen guild. The succeeding generations of his

family developed their own style of violin making in Klingental.

The Hopff, or Hopf, Violin is still recognized today.

Two other Klingental violin makers, Christian Friedrich

Dörfler and Christoph Adam Richter chose to remain

in the Markneukirchen guild... until the new guild threatened

to make them move out of town! They had to change

their memberships.



(This was posted by Jacob in another thread. From an essay written by Herr Weishart for the vsa) 

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Reg. Hopf, Weisshaar and others: One mustn't forget that all this distinctions between guilds and models were historical and all more or less disappeared during the development of industrial production and division of labour between different shops and locations in the 19th century. What was true in 1820 maybe wasn't that anymore in 1870, for example.

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7 hours ago, Blank face said:

What was true in 1820 maybe wasn't that anymore in 1870, for example.

So quite possibly this violin could have been made by one maker who belonged to a guild in Markneukirchen or Klingental sometime in the mid 19thc. Connecting the violin to a specific maker might be difficult, but maybe there's some clues in the construction I'm missing. Hopf might be a good starting point, given the comments here.

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3 hours ago, sospiri said:

The Upper and lower bouts and the position of the fs are what we associate with Klingenthal cottage industry I suppose.

It would seem that is a logical place to start then. After reading the guild article posted by Jacob I see that the whole Markneukirchen area had many makers in the first half of the 19thc. I suppose if I could figure out if this is an Amati copy or Stainer copy that may help a bit. The repair work is pencilled in English dated 1888, so it may have been shipped to England and had the English pegs installed  at that time. Thanks Sospiri.

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