germain Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Looks like his chisel broke or something when he was trying to complete the left side of the scroll... also according to Henley he died in 1930 and the label looks too white...otherwise a nice Mirecourt fiddle. No? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-FRENCH-violin-Charles-BRUGERE-1931-great-used-condition/184473647291?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D88b031cfb3044e389c1379b551539ae2%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D184473647291%26itm%3D184473647291%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A28b9b66d-09a7-11eb-85a2-fe05ddaeca87|parentrq%3A09f5e4311750aca49bfa34f2fff51cfe|iid%3A1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacobsaunders Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 Not a Brugere (pardon lack of accents on my keyboard) but a piece of crap with a fake "label" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted October 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: Not a Brugere (pardon lack of accents on my keyboard) but a piece of crap with a fake "label" French piece of crap? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacobsaunders Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 I think they say "Merde". One should more probably say "Scheiße" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted October 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: I think they say "Merde". One should more probably say "Scheiße" haha... price is over 1K as we speak. Martin will be angry at me for posting an auction that hasn't finished. I figured nothing really valuable here... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacobsaunders Posted October 8, 2020 Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, germain said: haha... price is over 1K as we speak. Martin will be angry at me for posting an auction that hasn't finished. I figured nothing really valuable here... If you really want to annoy him, you could buy it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted October 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: If you really want to annoy him, you could buy it ... oh no the auction already ended Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wood Butcher Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 10 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: If you really want to annoy him, you could buy it Then ask him to sell it on consignment Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wood Butcher Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 10 hours ago, germain said: haha... price is over 1K as we speak. Martin will be angry at me for posting an auction that hasn't finished. I figured nothing really valuable here... Same seller has several "French" bows listed, none of which look French, but do look German. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 This seems to be just another Ebay ID from the serial relabeller and faker also known as france 69, marsupilami, frcfra11 etc. Back in the good old days when feedback wasn't private you could work all his IDs by seeing who gave the best feedback Not a Brugere, not even sure it's French. I do in fact have a Brugere viola which i have just taken on consignment - I'll post some photos later today, I think the comparison should get a few laughs! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said: Same seller has several "French" bows listed, none of which look French, but do look German. None of this bows is German (if so, they would probably better). Most seem to be combinations of cheap Mirecourt fittings with Japanese sticks and ridiculous attributions. Ok, the frog of the cello bow is German. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just for interest's sake, here's a Charles Brugère from 1894 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Jetson Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 That is a beautiful viola. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
violinsRus Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 8 hours ago, martin swan said: here's a Charles Brugère from 1894 Martin, what are the body dims of that viola? That is one gorgeous model, especially for a viola. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
germain Posted October 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 8 hours ago, martin swan said: Just for interest's sake, here's a Charles Brugère from 1894 Gorgeous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, violinsRus said: Martin, what are the body dims of that viola? That is one gorgeous model, especially for a viola. Unfortunately it went out on approval today, but the back length was around 39.6. Yes it's a nice model - most French violas of this period seem to be based on the Archinto, with rather narrow upper bouts - this seems a bit more balanced. I think that as with most French instruments, when you see the real thing you realize that many of these makers were re-working Mirecourt boxes. I've seen plenty of Brugeres than weren't of this quality ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
______ Posted October 9, 2020 Report Share Posted October 9, 2020 9 hours ago, martin swan said: Just for interest's sake, here's a Charles Brugère from 1894 A real pleasure to look at, thanks for posting. BTW, like always photos from Martin are so balanced tonally in terms of colours. I like them. I mean, some (even major) auction houses deliver photos that are quite not corresponding to reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhilipKT Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Re: Mirecourt boxes. We’re those analogous to the Mittenwald boxes? French Dutzenarbeits? Or were they more like real factories? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 14 hours ago, ______ said: A real pleasure to look at, thanks for posting. BTW, like always photos from Martin are so balanced tonally in terms of colours. I like them. I mean, some (even major) auction houses deliver photos that are quite not corresponding to reality. Thanks, I'm glad you like our photos. Yes - there are obviously a few different approaches to violin photography, and I suppose that for archive purposes some soft, flat, non-reflective lighting might be the best. Most of the major auction houses choose a style of photography that eliminates reflections. While this allows for a certain kind of scrutiny, you don't really get to see the arching or the quality of the varnish, nor do you get to see when cracks aren't quite in register. Our approach (directional LED daylight lighting) creates a few hot spots and it's very uncompromising, but at least the violins look like they do in real life, and if you're selling valuable items at a distance, often to people who can't visit in person, it's a reasonable approach. The last thing we want is someone sending back a violin or a bow that they're trying out because it looked better in the pictures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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