uncle duke Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 45 minutes ago, Blank face said: To bring it back to violin matters, one should realize that Fischer is a very common name in the German speaking regions, like Schuster, Müller or other profession-related names. So I won't think automatically that a maker (or dealer) bearing this name is very likely related to another having the same. The very nice viola by Anton Fischer reminds me (except the very different varnish and much nicer executed details) of some Mittenwald attempts adapting the modern and sought-after models during this period. What I was thinking was that Wurtzburg wasn't really all that far from Regensburg. The Zacharius I mentioned has an example of his work at the Tarisio site. It sort of resembles one of the two Fischers that Jacob mentioned. So, for some more example of how my mind works sometimes I thought the viola Jacob presented yesterday was one where he gets the chance to restore to his liking, can't make the decision if a Zacharius, Joseph or an Anton was the maker and decides with or without consultation from peers that what will be best is to insert an Anton Fischer label because it just seems right - I for one wouldn't have a problem with that because I feel that's as close as one could get attribution wise and staying out of trouble at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 6 hours ago, uncle duke said: what will be best is to insert an Anton Fischer label because it just seems right - I for one wouldn't have a problem with that because I feel that's as close as one could get attribution wise and staying out of trouble at the same time. That's quite a very special way. How do you get a maybe 220 years old label? I think it was made very clear how easily any copy can be identified when you be just a bit used to know the properties of an original example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle duke Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Blank face said: 1. That's quite a very special way. 2.How do you get a maybe 220 years old label? I think it was made very clear how easily any copy can be identified when you be just a bit used to know the properties of an original example. 1. There could be the other way but who am I to disagree with the pretty convincing story of this particular viola written by an Englishman? 2. The old repair books mention that benzoin with a brush works wonders on paper hence an original label. If you were to just ask me for a guess I could say around 1925 for the making of the label - no I haven't learned the differences between the types of paper used over the years. What's wrong with finding an instrument without a label in Germany and after cleaning up giving it a new label that describes what is 95% chance of being correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Slight Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 16 hours ago, Rue said: Well, I was only visiting for a week...I thought it was a lovely city. Nicely rebuilt...and what about: Looks nice to me too, certainly much better than Manchester. No rubbish on the ground, no dead pigeons, no semi dried piles of vomit outside the bars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelbow Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, Dave Slight said: Looks nice to me too, certainly much better than Manchester. No rubbish on the ground, no dead pigeons, no semi dried piles of vomit outside the bars... I like Manchester, my brother lives there cool city, but I also quite like Bolton so I am not quite sure what that says about me.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 ...I was at the Manchester airport once! No dead pigeons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 8 hours ago, uncle duke said: What's wrong with finding an instrument without a label in Germany and after cleaning up giving it a new label that describes what is 95% chance of being correct? You're gonna end up with a violin everybody halfway knowledgeable will tell you that it has a faked label. If the violin is ok nobody needs this (outside Ebay). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Dave Slight said: No rubbish on the ground, no dead pigeons, no semi dried piles of vomit outside the bars... Yup, this is the Disney tourist attraction street which you will find in many German towns. Just go around the next corner and you'll find the pigeons and all the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 Well...there was a surprising amount of graffiti along some of the residential streets close to the downtown - but no dead pigeons. I did a lot of wandering that week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HilaryJS Posted February 17, 2023 Report Share Posted February 17, 2023 I have an instrument with a label “Josef Fischer” Znaim. Same person? Any info appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Richwine Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 Znaim is the German name for a town in the southern part of the now Czech Republic, where Regensburg is in eastern Bavaria, and it looks to me like your violin is easily a hundred years newer than the one in the previous discussion. As mentioned above Fischer is a pretty common name like Mueller or Schuster or Bauer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 The southern Bohemian (Czech) instruments are supposed to have a strong relationship to the Viennese school, Jacob might know more. This violin looks different and indeed not that old. The single blurred photo doesn’t give much clues what it is factually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotios Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 Josef Fischer whose label is in your violin was a little known violin maker in the 1860s in Znojmo (Znaim in German). He has nothing to do with Josef Fischer from Regensburg. His violins are not known, it is speculated that he was more into repairs. The photo of your violin is indeed unusable, but it is most likely a much younger violin. So the label would be a fake. By the way, Znojmo is in Moravia, not Bohemia. Vienna is about 70 km away (Regensburg about 300 km). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Fotios said: Josef Fischer whose label is in your violin was a little known violin maker in the 1860s in Znojmo (Znaim in German). He has nothing to do with Josef Fischer from Regensburg. His violins are not known, it is speculated that he was more into repairs. The photo of your violin is indeed unusable, but it is most likely a much younger violin. So the label would be a fake. By the way, Znojmo is in Moravia, not Bohemia. Vienna is about 70 km away (Regensburg about 300 km). Thanks, yes the region is Moravia. Znojmo is between Brno/Brünn and Vienna, and Jalovec shows some violins which were allegedly made in the region by earlier makers like Wassermann or Wlld. During the later 19th century they most probably sold just "the usual". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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