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What is the deal with Amati specialist auctions ? Half the lots seem to be made possibly or probably by. Even a fairly common commercial maker like Collin Mezin is listed as probably. Cant they use an expert to authenticate what they sell and limit the 'probably' to the rarest of all ? It seems like walking through a minefield browsing the  lots ! :angry:

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I am left with no other auctions to buy now :-(

...Skinner with its wrecks on sale, Kestenbaum with those shady underground pictures, Tarisio selling its stuff at 15X its estimates and Amati full of probably or possibly !

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8 minutes ago, Yogic said:

What is the deal with Amati specialist auctions ? Half the lots seem to be made possibly or probably by. Even a fairly common commercial maker like Collin Mezin is listed as probably. Cant they use an expert to authenticate what they sell and limit the 'probably' to the rarest of all ? It seems like walking through a minefield browsing the  lots ! :angry:

An auction isn’t like a shop, it is simply a sales venue. You need to decide for yourself what is right, and what is worth buying.

If you don’t like the risk, go to a shop.

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30 minutes ago, Yogic said:

What is the deal with Amati specialist auctions ? Half the lots seem to be made possibly or probably by. Even a fairly common commercial maker like Collin Mezin is listed as probably. Cant they use an expert to authenticate what they sell and limit the 'probably' to the rarest of all ? It seems like walking through a minefield browsing the  lots ! :angry:

 

21 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said:

An auction isn’t like a shop, it is simply a sales venue. You need to decide for yourself what is right, and what is worth buying.

If you don’t like the risk, go to a shop.

And If you don't like any of the above, there's always eBay.  :huh:  :P  :lol:

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A reputed auction house employs or are run by experts and sell items that have been properly examined , catalogued and described accurately. Its like a Phillips auction house or a Sothebys which sells a Rolex or a Patek Philippe watch. They dont sell watches titled probably or possibly made by Rolex. I really wish Christies or Bonhams continued with their sale of fine instruments. Ingles and Hayday is a good venue to buy but they cater to higher priced instruments only. The current crop of auction houses need to focus on selling good items and not accept anything and everything just for revenue.

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8 hours ago, Violadamore said:

 

And If you don't like any of the above, there's always eBay.  :huh:  :P  :lol:

It seemed he or she didn’t like the risk of buying something not genuine at auction. Buying on eBay will only multiply that risk exponentially 

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7 hours ago, Yogic said:

The current crop of auction houses need to focus on selling good items and not accept anything and everything just for revenue.

I’m sure they appreciate your thoughts on how they should run their businesses. I was under the impression that the goal was profit. How they go about that is up to them. 

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28 minutes ago, rudall said:

I’m sure they appreciate your thoughts on how they should run their businesses. I was under the impression that the goal was profit. How they go about that is up to them. 

I'm not sure people can cope with a dose of realism 753852296_outtahere.gif.18e4cb8f4c4b5444c89f1a9877817e6b.gif

Many here seem to think auctions should only sell the sort of things they personally are looking to buy, that the estimate is the sale price, and everything will be really cheap compared to going to a dealer. Because above all else, the dealer should really be avoided, despite them never having met one before in person, or knowing much about what a dealer can offer.

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10 hours ago, Yogic said:

 It seems like walking through a minefield browsing the  lots ! :angry:

If you feel that browsing the lots at any auction isn't walking through a minefield, then you are going to get blown up ...

People here find it so difficult to understand that auction houses act for the consignor, that the guarantees are very limited, and that there is always a reason why something is at auction rather than in a retail shop.

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43 minutes ago, martin swan said:

 

People here find it so difficult to understand that auction houses act for the consignor, 

Which is why it seems outrageous that they charge the buyer +/-20% commision

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1 hour ago, martin swan said:

and that there is always a reason why something is at auction rather than in a retail shop.

The "reason" is not always because there is something wrong with the item.

58 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

Which is why it seems outrageous that they charge the buyer +/-20% commision

Why? The auction is providing a service to the buyer, too, and the cost is completely transparent. Do you think that they should charge the consigner ~40% of the hammer price and the buyer nothing?

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18 minutes ago, GeorgeH said:

 

Why? The auction is providing a service to the buyer, too, and the cost is completely transparent. Do you think that they should charge the consigner ~40% of the hammer price and the buyer nothing?

Yes

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6 hours ago, rudall said:

I’m sure they appreciate your thoughts on how they should run their businesses. I was under the impression that the goal was profit. How they go about that is up to them. 

I think any business should work on building long term reputation and credibility. If the goal is always profit, it may work a few times but you are eroding your respect as you move along. Seeing Amati  post a violin as possibly made by Collin Mezin is working slowly towards destroying its own repute. Amati is based in the UK which probably has the best French instrument experts and this is a very common maker.If their in house capability is lacking, find an expert and catalog your instrument right.I had a sizeable budget for this auction but cant seem to find more than one or two instruments to place a bid on and have not placed anything so far.None of their cellos are hand made by any maker but seem to be the trade types with the bergonzi or strad labels.

The reason why Tarisio is doing so well and selling its instruments above its estimate is probably because of who its competitors are and not what it really is doing.

The year is ending. I am just going to hope Ingles and Hayday will have some good stuff.

 

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15 minutes ago, Yogic said:

 Amati  post a violin as possibly made by Collin Mezin is working slowly towards destroying its own repute.

I actually find it refreshing, when Amati list “A Violin, Ten quid”. One can make ones own impression without being lead up any garden paths by some pushy auctionier.

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16 minutes ago, Yogic said:

The reason why Tarisio is doing so well and selling its instruments above its estimate is probably because of who its competitors are and not what it really is doing.

I think equal treatment and respect of both the buyer and the seller is part of their success. Something I haven't always noticed with others.

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7 hours ago, Wood Butcher said:

It seemed he or she didn’t like the risk of buying something not genuine at auction. Buying on eBay will only multiply that risk exponentially 

Please learn to recognize and appreciate sarcasm:P:lol:

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1 minute ago, Violadamore said:

Please learn to recognize and appreciate sarcasm:P:lol:

This trade has too many serious people :)

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25 minutes ago, Violadamore said:

Please learn to recognize and appreciate sarcasm:P:lol:

 

23 minutes ago, Yogic said:

This trade has too many serious people :)

So what do you want, serious suggestions, or just for me to take the piss?

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9 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said:

 

So what do you want, serious suggestions, or just for me to take the piss?

Lighten up bud...life is too short to be serious :D

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18 hours ago, Yogic said:

What is the deal with Amati specialist auctions ? Half the lots seem to be made possibly or probably by. Even a fairly common commercial maker like Collin Mezin is listed as probably. Cant they use an expert to authenticate what they sell and limit the 'probably' to the rarest of all ? It seems like walking through a minefield browsing the  lots ! :angry:

Well Mr. Yogic, that's you off my Christmas card list. Although as you might have shoved some people towards our website as a result, I might reconsider.

Taking the slightly emotive language out of it, you have make some interesting points.

1 - 'Probably'. Almost certainly over-employed in this auction, but there are usually reasons. I would be absolutely fine with the Collin-Mezin were the date not so early. It feels like an example from c.1905-10.

The Dupuy looks good, but the only comparative example I can find, while similar, is of a different model. Without getting wearily under-grad about it, pretty much all opinion is a balance of probabilities and perhaps the current market conditions are making me more risk-averse than usual. If you know your Dupuys Mr Yogic, fill your boots.

2 - 

16 hours ago, Yogic said:

 The current crop of auction houses need to focus on selling good items and not accept anything and everything just for revenue.

Well, it's hard to know where to start on this one. I think (if it's ok with you) that we will continue to sell instruments that our buyers want to buy and our sellers want to sell. I won't pretend the revenue isn't welcome either. 

I like threads like these, they give auctions publicity and sometimes give some genuinely valuable feedback that we try to implement into our auctions, so no stress my end. If you want to launch a zinger back though please bear in mind it's been the first day off I have had for about four months and I am about to re-introduce myself to the joys of Lidl Rioja.

 

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7 minutes ago, jamesbuchanan said:

Well Mr. Yogic, that's you off my Christmas card list. 

Ouch :lol:

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6 minutes ago, jamesbuchanan said:

Well Mr. Yogic, that's you off my Christmas card list. Although as you might have shoved some people towards our website as a result, I might reconsider.

Taking the slightly emotive language out of it, you have make some interesting points.

1 - 'Probably'. Almost certainly over-employed in this auction, but there are usually reasons. I would be absolutely fine with the Collin-Mezin were the date not so early. It feels like an example from c.1905-10.

The Dupuy looks good, but the only comparative example I can find, while similar, is of a different model. Without getting wearily under-grad about it, pretty much all opinion is a balance of probabilities and perhaps the current market conditions are making me more risk-averse than usual. If you know your Dupuys Mr Yogic, fill your boots.

2 - 

Well, it's hard to know where to start on this one. I think (if it's ok with you) that we will continue to sell instruments that our buyers want to buy and our sellers want to sell. I won't pretend the revenue isn't welcome either. 

I like threads like these, they give auctions publicity and sometimes give some genuinely valuable feedback that we try to implement into our auctions, so no stress my end. If you want to launch a zinger back though please bear in mind it's been the first day off I have had for about four months and I am about to re-introduce myself to the joys of Lidl Rioja.

 

As someone who has no problems with how you choose to run your marvelous operation, I just wanted to say "Hi!", and wish you an enjoyable vacation.  :)

 

2 hours ago, Wood Butcher said:

 

So what do you want, serious suggestions, or just for me to take the piss?

It would be pleasant, when I happen to take your side in something, if you realized it.  :P  :lol:

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