Rue Posted June 24, 2020 Report Share Posted June 24, 2020 ...the eyebrows came close... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 When it's done right: https://mymodernmet.com/plautilla-nelli-last-supper/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 On 6/23/2020 at 2:56 PM, Andres Sender said: Except that in at least some instances the people who do this stuff don't realize their own incompetence and wonder what the fuss is all about. I think that has good crossover with the fiddle realm. While there are some people who are really good at restoration or copying, there will always remain minor artifacts of their personal tastes and predjudices (in my opinion), or much more major artifacts from those less skilled and perceptive. Various artifacts of the human element always come into play, as long as humans are involved. At one time, there was an "admired" team of copyists, who have done quite well financially. Early on, I could nail their stuff, because the eyes on their scrolls were all the same, regardless of what they were purporting to copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Sender Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Rue said: When it's done right: https://mymodernmet.com/plautilla-nelli-last-supper/ That was only done "right" insofar as the photo may fail to represent the actual appearance of the restored painting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, Andres Sender said: That was only done "right" insofar as the photo may fail to represent the actual appearance of the restored painting. ...and your issue with that team of experts is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Sender Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Rue said: ...and your issue with that team of experts is? I may have misconstrued the intent of your question, so my revised answer is: I don't have an issue with the team, I just find that the pictures of before and after combine to give the impression that the restoration distorted the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 I suppose there has to be a wee bit of distortion, purely due to the nature of the project. However, I can't see how it could be done "better". What's worse, potentially having a wee bit of distortion or letting the work rot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Sender Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 There are two different processes involved here: conservation (the process of stabilizing a work so that it does not develop further damage), and restoration (the process of making a work look less damaged, or undamaged). The latter process is separate and optional, so 'distortion or rot' is really a false alternative. You can't see how the work could be done better, but it took me very little time to find worrisome discrepancies between the two images. The photos themselves might be at fault, or I might be delusional, or you might lack training in the sort of seeing that representational artists do. I only took issue with the discrepancies because you offered the work as an example of things done right, because I can't agree. If the pictures are a good representation, then the work was not very conservative and creates a changed impression of the artist's abilities. To me that would not be doing that job "right". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Andres Sender said: ...The photos themselves might be at fault,... ...or I might be delusional, ....or you might lack training in the sort of seeing that representational artists do. ... I vote for all three! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil Ledges Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 Now, what's all this then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janito Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 69th ranked submission to "Sky Portrait Artist of the Week" in Junior category (YouTube) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlecollector Posted June 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 14 hours ago, Andres Sender said: There are two different processes involved here: conservation (the process of stabilizing a work so that it does not develop further damage), and restoration (the process of making a work look less damaged, or undamaged). The latter process is separate and optional, so 'distortion or rot' is really a false alternative. You can't see how the work could be done better, but it took me very little time to find worrisome discrepancies between the two images. The photos themselves might be at fault, or I might be delusional, or you might lack training in the sort of seeing that representational artists do. I only took issue with the discrepancies because you offered the work as an example of things done right, because I can't agree. If the pictures are a good representation, then the work was not very conservative and creates a changed impression of the artist's abilities. To me that would not be doing that job "right". Andres do you mind sharing what your` worrisome discrepancies are `, just interested as an art lover ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood Butcher Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, fiddlecollector said: just interested as an ary lover ! I hope you don't mean Ary bows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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