Rue Report post Posted June 19, 2020 An article on modern Cremonese instruments. Nicely written! https://phys.org/news/2020-06-violin-makers-tune-tradition-stradivarius-italy.amp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Violadamore Report post Posted June 19, 2020 Very cool. Thanks, @Rue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rue Report post Posted June 19, 2020 Any time! I thought it answered some of the questions that have popped up on the forum, regarding "Cremonese" instruments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Burgess Report post Posted June 20, 2020 22 hours ago, Rue said: An article on modern Cremonese instruments. Nicely written! https://phys.org/news/2020-06-violin-makers-tune-tradition-stradivarius-italy.amp Except that I don't know of any evidence that Antonio Stradivari was born in Cremona. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilipKT Report post Posted June 20, 2020 23 hours ago, Rue said: An article on modern Cremonese instruments. Nicely written! https://phys.org/news/2020-06-violin-makers-tune-tradition-stradivarius-italy.amp It was interesting but not really nicely written. It stopped so abruptly I thought there was a missing page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rue Report post Posted June 20, 2020 Okay then...let's go with "easy to read" ... ...and with possible historical inaccuracies... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael_Molnar Report post Posted June 20, 2020 @Davide Sora was born in Cremona. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwickG Report post Posted June 20, 2020 There is a village in Alberta, Canada north of Calgary that is named Cremona. A perfect place for a maker to make genuine Cremonese violins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Burgess Report post Posted June 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Michael_Molnar said: @Davide Sora was born in Cremona. My Dad always called the city "Cremora" (like the powdered coffee creamer). I corrected him numerous times, but it was to no avail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael_Molnar Report post Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, David Burgess said: My Dad always called the city "Cremora" (like the powdered coffee creamer). I corrected him numerous times, but it was to no avail. Hmm. What did he call the Mona Lisa? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moroni Olafson Report post Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 11:10 AM, FenwickG said: There is a village in Alberta, Canada north of Calgary that is named Cremona. A perfect place for a maker to make genuine Cremonese violins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimRobinson Report post Posted June 21, 2020 There's a Cremona Downs station in outback Queensland in Oz, I guess they run cattle. Looks pretty remote and the Julia Creek area suffered in the floods of 2019. The maps shows there are quite a few bores in the area. Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moroni Olafson Report post Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 1:20 AM, TimRobinson said: The maps shows there are quite a few bores in the area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moroni Olafson Report post Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 7:29 AM, Rue said: An article on modern Cremonese instruments. Nicely written! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davide Sora Report post Posted June 22, 2020 I would have liked to answer earlier, but, sorry, I had better things to do, being around the woods of Tuscany for a week of vacation after they finally unlocked the regional borders. Honestly, the article doesn't seem very accurate to me. Especially the statements of a consortium president (of which all the luthiers interviewed are part) who says that here in Cremona we suffer from competition from China when instead the vast majority of luthiers make a living thanks to Chinese dealers, it is at least inappropriate. Then, when he refers to the prices and hours of work for a "master violin" and puts them in competition with Chinese serial instruments, it is something that doesn't sound good to my ears and that doesn't make much sense. He forgets to say that in fact the situation of prices and hours of work is very different here in Cremona if you had to make an average among all the luthiers, and unfortunately and blindly many put themselves in direct competition with the serial Chinese violins and it is precisely for the latter that we can speak of crisis. Maybe they should realize that you can't beat the Chinese on their favored ground, and only taking care of the quality and aiming at a "high market" would exceed the supposed crisis they go babbling. Unfortunately, many young makers are strangled by these "experts makers" who spoil the market and make extremely difficult to emerge, since they occupy the low price ranges that should allow young people to enter the market at the beginning of their career. And I'm talking about price ranges around 5000 or 6000 euros, certainly not 10000 or 15000 euros...unfortunately the 25000 euros he talks about as if it were a consolidated price, is true for a really too small number of luthiers here in Cremona, despite this prestigious name that everyone is waving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Burgess Report post Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Davide Sora said: I would have liked to answer earlier, but, sorry, I had better things to do, being around the woods of Tuscany for a week of vacation after they finally unlocked the regional borders. Was it better than sex? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhilipKT Report post Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Davide Sora said: I would have liked to answer earlier, but, sorry, I had better things to do, being around the woods of Tuscany for a week of vacation after they finally unlocked the regional borders. Honestly, the article doesn't seem very accurate to me. Especially the statements of a consortium president (of which all the luthiers interviewed are part) who says that here in Cremona we suffer from competition from China when instead the vast majority of luthiers make a living thanks to Chinese dealers, it is at least inappropriate. Then, when he refers to the prices and hours of work for a "master violin" and puts them in competition with Chinese serial instruments, it is something that doesn't sound good to my ears and that doesn't make much sense. He forgets to say that in fact the situation of prices and hours of work is very different here in Cremona if you had to make an average among all the luthiers, and unfortunately and blindly many put themselves in direct competition with the serial Chinese violins and it is precisely for the latter that we can speak of crisis. Maybe they should realize that you can't beat the Chinese on their favored ground, and only taking care of the quality and aiming at a "high market" would exceed the supposed crisis they go babbling. Unfortunately, many young makers are strangled by these "experts makers" who spoil the market and make extremely difficult to emerge, since they occupy the low price ranges that should allow young people to enter the market at the beginning of their career. And I'm talking about price ranges around 5000 or 6000 euros, certainly not 10000 or 15000 euros...unfortunately the 25000 euros he talks about as if it were a consolidated price, is true for a really too small number of luthiers here in Cremona, despite this prestigious name that everyone is waving. Thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davide Sora Report post Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, David Burgess said: Was it better than sex? Well, one thing does not exclude the other... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rue Report post Posted June 22, 2020 Thanks for weighing in! Always good to get feed-back from bona fide Cremonite! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Merkel Report post Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 9:12 PM, Michael_Molnar said: Hmm. What did he call the Mona Lisa? Money Lisa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeC Report post Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 5:12 PM, Michael_Molnar said: Hmm. What did he call the Mona Lisa? Dad used to say "just a durned old picture hangin there on the wall" I think that was a parody of some song. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeC Report post Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 1:12 AM, SLF said: There is a small town in Utah named Mantua. This Mantua is not famous because Pietro Guarneri lived there, but is infamous for its speed trap. I used to pass through it (very slowly and carefully). On the rare occasion when I've gotten a speeding ticket I usually tell the cop to give me two of them, Why? because I'll be back through here in a little while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rue Report post Posted June 22, 2020 ...so what they say about a fool man and his money IS true! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimitri Musafia Report post Posted June 23, 2020 17 hours ago, Davide Sora said: Honestly, the article doesn't seem very accurate to me. [...] I second Davide's opinion, I believe this to be a poorly written and researched article, with a number of misleading statements starting from the first paragraph. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites