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31 minutes ago, PhilipKT said:

Isn’t this one the French composer and violinist Pierre Rode?

 

32 minutes ago, PhilipKT said:

Isn’t this one the French composer and violinist Pierre Rode?

Bad hair day, and why are the strings all wadded up around the pegbox?

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On 6/10/2020 at 7:05 AM, jandepora said:

What about study the old historical pictures to know more about instuments?

I begin with this. Antoine Pesne (1683-1757) Po rtrait d'un violoniste

I could see a button maybe of metal? and maybe it has winding?

and what about this way to tie the strings? When I saw this I thought that maybe could be a way to avoid wolf notes shorting the afterlengt of the string

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Or really really frugal with the strings.

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10 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

Isn’t this one the French composer and violinist Pierre Rode?

The pictures was sold with this information.

ANTOINE-PAUL VINCENT (FRENCH, FL. C. 1790 - 1810) - A faint inscription on the backing paper reads 'L[...] célèbre violiniste  émule de Kreuzer né à Rennes []  en Bretagne premier  prix [...]  peint par Vincent qui a/ remporté le 1ier prix / par cet ouvrage à Paris [?]

This is a RODE picture

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4 hours ago, jandepora said:

The pictures was sold with this information.

ANTOINE-PAUL VINCENT (FRENCH, FL. C. 1790 - 1810) - A faint inscription on the backing paper reads 'L[...] célèbre violiniste  émule de Kreuzer né à Rennes []  en Bretagne premier  prix [...]  peint par Vincent qui a/ remporté le 1ier prix / par cet ouvrage à Paris [?]

This is a RODE picture

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They actually look quite a bit alike, but I was actually focusing more on the instrument, the fact that the person is obviously composing, and the clothing. However at least I did get the era and nationality correct...yay

Now I am wondering who is the bust in the background? Probably someone French...

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On 6/12/2020 at 9:06 AM, Arbos said:

Apparently, strings kept long and around the pegbox was commonplace until at least the 19th century. I’ve always wondered why.

 

My understanding is that when using plain gut strings, they would leave the extra length on. In early times, most of the wear would occur in the lower positions, so when the string was getting a bit worse for wear, they could just pull some of the extra back through the peg, and retie the string at the tailpiece. Now the main playing area of the string was like new, and the degraded part further up the fingerboard out of the way.
Similarly, if the string broke (at the bridge for example), it was easy just to pull the extra through the peg, and then retie it at the tailpiece.

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1 hour ago, Wood Butcher said:

Interesting how the violin shows some decidedly Brescian features, yet the outline seems more a nod to Cremonese work.

The ribs look very deep, but it is impossible to know how much is artistic licence.

This painter has a lot of musicians pictures and the violins looks very similar.

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6 hours ago, Delabo said:

So whats going on with the G and E string just above the nut ?

violin nut.jpg

This feature in the pegbox appear in all the instruments of this time and pictorial school (XVI c.)... maybe a characteristic of Brescia instruments?. But I find rarely in the examples of original surviving instruments.

http://collections.nmmusd.org/Violins/BrescianSchool/3363/BrescianViolin3363.html

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3 hours ago, crazy jane said:

I link this thread because it includes some useful links, all by way of giving "equal time" to the many theories about the conical hole mentioned in the above article.

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