Rachell66 Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 Hello, Please have a look and kindly give me information about the violin and its build. Much appreciated, Rachel
Rue Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 All I can offer is that I think this one is pretty.
Blank face Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 You could work out a lot by yourself if ýou would read carefully through the " brief and necessarily incomplete blueprint for distinguishing between Mittenwald „Verleger“ and Markn/Schönbach „Dutzendware“" Jacob once gave here:
Rachell66 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Posted June 3, 2020 Sure I'll read it, but still would appreciate your input.
PhilipKT Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 I just went over Addie’s list( actually Jacob’s list) and I have “einige Fragen.” What does it mean that the purfling is too deep? How can you tell? the Scroll does seem to have the Hinterkopf, indicating Mittenwald, But the photographs don’t show how far the fluting goes nor the ridge on the back. I can’t tell whether the purfling has bee stings or not. The ribs and overall shape indicate Mittenwald. Hope to hear from others.
Rachell66 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Posted June 3, 2020 Yes thanks Philip. I don't have enough photos of the violin as of yet. The bottom, the end pin, photos I am missing.
Rachell66 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Posted June 3, 2020 51 minutes ago, Shelbow said: Definitely an improvement on the last one. See, because I am learning something here!! The differentiation between a 'dollar and a coffee' and... AN ACTUAL VIOLIN!!
Brad Dorsey Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Blank face said: You could work out a lot by yourself if ýou would read carefully through the " brief and necessarily incomplete blueprint for distinguishing between Mittenwald „Verleger“ and Markn/Schönbach „Dutzendware“" Jacob once gave... But be aware that Jacob has explained that his "blueprint" is only for distinguishing between the two once one has determined that the violin is one of them. If the violin is neither, the blueprint will not identify it.
Brad Dorsey Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 35 minutes ago, PhilipKT said: ...What does it mean that the purfling is too deep? How can you tell?... It means that the channel in the top (or the back) that the purfling is set into is unusually deep -- sometimes cutting all the way through the top. If the purfling is intact, the only way you can tell the depth of its channel is by removing the neck, the saddle or the top.
Rachell66 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Posted June 3, 2020 It did state that it was a Dresden violin, but! I wanted to hear from you guys, so, is it Dresden? I presume most German typically are made Mittenwald or Markneukirchen. If it is in fact made in Dresden (how do you tell?) how does it compare in workmanship?
Blank face Posted June 3, 2020 Report Posted June 3, 2020 Dresden violin means ( in the best case) a Markneukirchen/ Schönbach sold by a Dresden dealer. In most cases it’s a Synonym for a “not so bad Mnk “. Actually there wasn’t much making in Dresden. 11 minutes ago, Brad Dorsey said: But be aware that Jacob has explained that his "blueprint" is only for distinguishing between the two once one has determined that the violin is one of them. If the violin is neither, the blueprint will not identify it. The violin is one of these, and not Mittenwald.
Rachell66 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Posted June 3, 2020 Why would it be a Dresden dealer? Why would one call it that? Why then can't it be a Mittenwald? Dealt by Dresden that it..
Rue Posted June 4, 2020 Report Posted June 4, 2020 Reference... https://www.corilon.com/us/violins/german-violin-dresden-probably-lowendall
Televet Posted June 4, 2020 Report Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Rachell66 said: Why would it be a Dresden dealer? Why would one call it that? Why then can't it be a Mittenwald? Dealt by Dresden that it.. Work your way through Jacobs checklist and answer your own question. It's a better way to learn than asking someone else to tell you the answer.
Rachell66 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Report Posted June 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Rue said: Reference... https://www.corilon.com/us/violins/german-violin-dresden-probably-lowendall The back length is 35.8 cm while this one is longer. Do you think this is a decent violin?
Rachell66 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Report Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Televet said: Work your way through Jacobs checklist and answer your own question. It's a better way to learn than asking someone else to tell you the answer. I need to be able to understand it.. I don't understand all of it.. You need to know quite a bit to be able to use the list..
PhilipKT Posted June 4, 2020 Report Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Brad Dorsey said: It means that the channel in the top (or the back) that the purfling is set into is unusually deep -- sometimes cutting all the way through the top. If the purfling is intact, the only way you can tell the depth of its channel is by removing the neck, the saddle or the top. Well, Jakob mentioned that one of the indications of Mittenwald is that the purfling is too deep, but if you cannot tell how deep the purfling is, then how can you use that as an identification feature? Meanwhile, do you agree that it is Mittenwald? Or something else? It does look like a reasonable instrument to me, but I’ve been trying to learn for 20 years
PhilipKT Posted June 4, 2020 Report Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Blank face said: Dresden violin means ( in the best case) a Markneukirchen/ Schönbach sold by a Dresden dealer. In most cases it’s a Synonym for a “not so bad Mnk “. Actually there wasn’t much making in Dresden. The violin is one of these, and not Mittenwald. Well, that means that I was wrong again.
Brad Dorsey Posted June 4, 2020 Report Posted June 4, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 9:25 PM, PhilipKT said: ...if you cannot tell how deep the purfling is, then how can you use that as an identification feature?... You can't. On 6/3/2020 at 9:25 PM, PhilipKT said: ...do you agree that it is Mittenwald?... No. It does not strike me as obviously Mittenwald, at least not the type of Mittenwald that I am familiar with. However it doesn't strike me as obviously something else, so I cannot definitely rule out Mittenwald. I'm not terribly good at violin identification.
PhilipKT Posted June 4, 2020 Report Posted June 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Brad Dorsey said: You can't. No It does not strike me as obviously Mittenwald, at least not the type of Mittenwald that I am familiar with. However it doesn't strike me as obviously something else, so I cannot definitely rule out Mittenwald. I'm not terribly good at violin identification. (Sigh) Mark twain, when discussing the old pepperbox revolvers and how inaccurate they were, wrote that the only safe place to stand when they were being fired was directly in front of them. (Sigh)
Fossil Ledges Posted June 4, 2020 Report Posted June 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, PhilipKT said: (Sigh) Mark twain, when discussing the old pepperbox revolvers and how inaccurate they were, wrote that the only safe place to stand when they were being fired was directly in front of them. (Sigh) It is NOT a Juzek Master Art...sorry that's all I gots...
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