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Leonhard Maussiel Violin

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Thanks for viewing my violin. Wondering if this can be close to anything the label says? I spoke to a local violin shop owner and he said it was an authentic German violin valued $3000-$5000. My biggest concern was the 4 digit inventory number?spacer.pngTHANKS!

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Here's the L&H  listing. The scroll looks like nice old S. German. The rest of the body not so much. Better pics of the body would be interesting. 

Page scan of sequence 51

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1 hour ago, deans said:

Here's the L&H  listing. The scroll looks like nice old S. German. The rest of the body not so much. Better pics of the body would be interesting. 

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"Good Old German Work"... Sounds like an Ebay listing :D

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I like it, despite the condition issues.  Even the label -- with the correct spelling, unlike this discussion title -- is consistent with the real thing.  From the change in flaming from the neck to the head, can we assume the head is grafted onto a new neck?  Hopefully one of our German experts will weigh in and relieve me of my delusions.

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Also, although some folks here have doubted the value of Ehrhardt's "Violin Identification and Price Guide," his Volume 3, page 41 lists a 1721 Maussiell with the Lyon & Healy catalogue number 5247, for sale in 1919 for $125.  Bingo?

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Could the OP check if the linings are made of walnut? This would be another Nürnberg constructional feature. Not sure if all of the varnish is original, but otherwise it looks good.

"Authentic German violin" sounds a bit overly wide spread.:)

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17 minutes ago, Blank face said:

Could the OP check if the linings are made of walnut? This would be another Nürnberg constructional feature. Not sure if all of the varnish is original, but otherwise it looks good.

"Authentic German violin" sounds a bit overly wide spread.:)

Where and how would I check if the linings are made of Walnut? Sorry for the novice remarks.

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As a side note I have 3613 from the same catalog  Only $85  though, and unfortunately it seems to have depreciated.

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32 minutes ago, deans said:

As a side note I have 3613 from the same catalog  Only $85  though, and unfortunately it seems to have depreciated.

That was a good one! 

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7 hours ago, Richf said:

Also, although some folks here have doubted the value of Ehrhardt's "Violin Identification and Price Guide," his Volume 3, page 41 lists a 1721 Maussiell with the Lyon & Healy catalogue number 5247, for sale in 1919 for $125.  Bingo?

Mebbe!

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22 hours ago, Chris73 said:

Thanks for viewing my violin. Wondering if this can be close to anything the label says? I spoke to a local violin shop owner and he said it was an authentic German violin valued $3000-$5000. My biggest concern was the 4 digit inventory number?spacer.pngTHANKS!

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What are the other condition issues?

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9 hours ago, Chris73 said:

Where and how would I check if the linings are made of Walnut? Sorry for the novice remarks.

That's a bit tricky of course without experience. You could compare it with the inside work of the Widhalms pictured here:

 

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17 hours ago, Blank face said:

That's a bit tricky of course without experience. You could compare it with the inside work of the Widhalms pictured here:

 

I am not sure if these photos will help you answer the question, but here goes.

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To be honest, for me it's often very difficult to distinguish small stripes of aged hardwood. Beech is the most easily to identify due to the short and hard rays. What I've seen of old walnut linings, for example in 18th century Viennese violins, was more of a greyish colour with a very few striations, this might always depend of the part of the log where it was cut. Willow can look very similar, just that it is more homogenous usually without any grain visible.

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19 minutes ago, Blank face said:

To be honest, for me it's often very difficult to distinguish small stripes of aged hardwood. Beech is the most easily to identify due to the short and hard rays. What I've seen of old walnut linings, for example in 18th century Viennese violins, was more of a greyish colour with a very few striations, this might always depend of the part of the log where it was cut. Willow can look very similar, just that it is more homogenous usually without any grain visible.

Do the photos help with a determination of the type of wood used?

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On 6/5/2020 at 10:00 PM, Chris73 said:

Do the photos help with a determination of the type of wood used?

Yes. Unfortunately your posts need much time to be visible due to the moderating for new members. At least it looks like hardwood and could be walnut.

On 6/5/2020 at 11:01 AM, Rienzi said:

This is a Maussiel.

An exceptional well preserved example, is it your's or taken from some website?

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