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I just downloaded Jordan Hess and Cristian Fatu's Plowden Revealed. I'm not sure how many people here have it, but I think the photo set is going to keep me going until they cure Covid-19.

I'm reasonably sure that there isn't anything else quite as comprehensive out there about a significant instrument. Has anyone else seen this?

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1 hour ago, GoPractice said:

How large are the images on the screen? Are they quite large?

The photo section is 170 pages long in PDF form and the images can be blown up to 10x life size. Here’s a shot of one blown up to the size of my screen - it still looked sharp at 4x this size:

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Given the sheer number of images and the quality, I thought $50 was a bargain, although that might be because I get outbid every time the Biddulph del Gesu books come up at auction.

 

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I paid for it but could not download it. Did you get any email after payment?

Btw, having bought the Thöne  books I do not consider this to be expensive.

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5 hours ago, Michael Szyper said:

I paid for it but could not download it. Did you get any email after payment?

Btw, having bought the Thöne  books I do not consider this to be expensive.

I didn’t have a problem - maybe shoot Jordan an email?

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4 hours ago, Fossil Ledges said:

"The future of porn is amateur and low quality."   Some of you will know the movie.

I don't but I like the quote. And really, if someone was going to take photos of the Plowden and distribute unlimited copies for $50, why couldn't it have been Michael Darnton or Bruce Carlson or Chris Reuning?  I don't hate young folks or anything, but I feel like you have to earn the right to do a project like this. With skills. Expertise, experience. Not a six thousand dollar lens and a friendship with a couple of violinists.

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50 minutes ago, not telling said:

I don't but I like the quote. And really, if someone was going to take photos of the Plowden and distribute unlimited copies for $50, why couldn't it have been Michael Darnton or Bruce Carlson or Chris Reuning?  I don't hate young folks or anything, but I feel like you have to earn the right to do a project like this. With skills. Expertise, experience. Not a six thousand dollar lens and a friendship with a couple of violinists.

Bit of a Bitch today?

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I got it, looks real good.

Talked to Jordan, said some kind of glitch in the automated mailing,, he'll check everything and get it sorted out.

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2 minutes ago, Evan Smith said:

Bit of a Bitch today?

Usually true of me, so I can't be offended by this...and anyway, I have no personal problem with Jordan Hess or anything-never met the kid. That said, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this is outrageous. I'm just the only one saying it. 

There is a reason, plural reasons, there aren't typically photos like this available to everyone everywhere. Good ones. I guess young people want to rewrite the rules. Not liking it doesn't make me a bitch.

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1 minute ago, not telling said:

There is a reason, plural reasons, there aren't typically photos like this available to everyone everywhere. Good ones. I guess young people want to rewrite the rules. Not liking it doesn't make me a bitch.

But it would have been ok if the photos had Michael, Chris it Bruce’s name on them? This pair of posts seems contradictory to me.

I’d also suspect that the choice to share the images was made by the violin’s owner, not “the kid”, which doesn’t seem like a particularly even handed way to refer to someone.

I know nothing about the politics that are evidently at work here - I’m just happy to get to see the end product.

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11 minutes ago, Three13 said:

But it would have been ok if the photos had Michael, Chris it Bruce’s name on them? This pair of posts seems contradictory to me.

I’d also suspect that the choice to share the images was made by the violin’s owner, not “the kid”, which doesn’t seem like a particularly even handed way to refer to someone.

I know nothing about the politics that are evidently at work here - I’m just happy to get to see the end product.

If someone with forty or so years of experience as a high-end photographer, restorer, dealer, maker, etc. did this, great. The politics aren't a mystery. I must admit, the end product of the collaboration gives a lot of good information for anyone who can see what they're looking at. So, that's great. I found it shocking. That's me. 

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18 minutes ago, not telling said:

If someone with forty or so years of experience as a high-end photographer, restorer, dealer, maker, etc. did this, great. The politics aren't a mystery. I must admit, the end product of the collaboration gives a lot of good information for anyone who can see what they're looking at. So, that's great. I found it shocking. That's me. 

I don't personally know Jordan, but speaking with him seems like a polite open and honest guy.

And at risk,, I will add that this project didn't start out as a project at all,, it evolved into what it is under the influence of the parties involved with the blessings of the owner.

Anyone can do any project they want at any time,,,

Are you Still at home cranking out the boxes,, It is an amazing time.

 

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49 minutes ago, not telling said:

Usually true of me, so I can't be offended by this...and anyway, I have no personal problem with Jordan Hess or anything-never met the kid. That said, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this is outrageous. I'm just the only one saying it. 

There is a reason, plural reasons, there aren't typically photos like this available to everyone everywhere. Good ones. I guess young people want to rewrite the rules. Not liking it doesn't make me a bitch.

Agreed, I get it, there are those of us who spent years actually traveling to do hands-on research the old fashioned hard way, (pre-internet), writing actual book length doctoral dissertations etcetera. But then again, I'm old and cranky! I just think there is inherent value to earning one's way, it makes one appreciate it more!

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I have not seen the content but I think there is nothing wrong if a young violin maker decides to share the result of a project of which he has obviously had all the necessary permits. The price seems more than fair, certainly cheaper than if it had been a traditional book with life size photos and big  names of experts and photographers associated. This is better than nothing at all, useful for spreading the knowledge of these violins that are not within the reach of many.

Approved!

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2 hours ago, not telling said:

If someone with forty or so years of experience as a high-end photographer, restorer, dealer, maker, etc. did this, great. The politics aren't a mystery. I must admit, the end product of the collaboration gives a lot of good information for anyone who can see what they're looking at. So, that's great. I found it shocking. That's me. 

The transparency is what is also remarkable. The $50 is but a threshold. Curation is a funny thing, as great as it can be, sometimes it is not necessary or unwanted. Years ago a friend who played a celebrity wedding said that it was an experience times ten. Meaning that seeing someone in People magazine or seeing them on screen is considerably insignificant compared to meeting them on their wedding day. Likewise for me, playing the actual bow that is pictured in a book can be insightful or devastatingly disappointing. Some of these mint examples play badly. They might be mint condition because no one wanted to play them... But the Plowden... 

There will be more of this. And I am grateful in my little selfish way, not only for myself, but when well done, it reveals a lot to those who care. Luck and fortunate to be invited to view instruments, I recently was able to handle a later Strad - era Amati. But the best of my memory would not be to able recall the details as documented of the Plowden. Two flights and a rental car later, the Amati was worth touching the corners experiencing the bouts, but the Plowden is too cool. Arching. F- holes. Distoritions.

What you write is true to many and am grateful you expressed the thoughts. But there are makers out there who are considered outliers by some who are very important. Terry Borman, for example, amongst my friends has be very polarizing the past ten+ years. But I find him immensely cogent. The Becker school of players is another group as I do not know of any stories that the Old Master told that were not true, where some owners believe their Beckers are superior to anything available and at times, I am willing to agree. 

Young Maestro Hess is taking a risk of sorts and we will see how this pans out. In the while, even though i have not completed the purchase, this might be the best purchase I make this covid holiday season. Though have not had the time, would like to review Rodney Mohr's videos too. 

With thanks to Three 13 for posting the heads up. Wouldn't it be hilarious if it were a bunch of photos of a Hess bench copy?

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17 minutes ago, GoPractice said:

With thanks to Three 13 for posting the heads up. Wouldn't it be hilarious if it were a bunch of photos of a Hess bench copy?

He made fun of us all, that's his bench copy, not the original:lol:

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36 minutes ago, Davide Sora said:

He made fun of us all, that's his bench copy, not the original:lol:

I think he’d have released it on April 1st, if that were the case...

:p

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That's one of my complaints about Jordan... he posts photos on his bench thread without saying what it is, and it's hard to tell if it's something he made or if it's a fine old violin that came thru the shop.

I don't see what the fuss is about who is selling what for how much.  If it's something you want and the price seems reasonable, you buy it.  If you have some problem with the product or the seller or the price, you don't buy it.  I don't have a problem with the product or the seller, other than I already have the Strad3D where there is good stuff on the Plowden, and I'm not that enthralled with the Plowden, and I'm not into attempting copies anyway.

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18 hours ago, Evan Smith said:

I don't personally know Jordan, but speaking with him seems like a polite open and honest guy.

And at risk,, I will add that this project didn't start out as a project at all,, it evolved into what it is under the influence of the parties involved with the blessings of the owner.

Anyone can do any project they want at any time,,,

Are you Still at home cranking out the boxes,, It is an amazing time.

 

I had to go back to work. No wonder I'm such a bitch. My son will finish one before I do. 

 

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I have also downloaded the Plowden Revealed and am hugely impressed with the whole package.  This is a resource of rare quality.

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On 5/2/2020 at 9:11 PM, not telling said:

I had to go back to work. No wonder I'm such a bitch. My son will finish one before I do. 

 

I loved your rant before you edited it, and I fully agreed, it was poetry.

How is your back?

Is it staying calmed down driving again, once the posas gets chronic from sitting and driving, it seems to remember that it's not happy.

It is a Bitch,,,,, but you are NOT!

I AM!

The pic's are great aren't they?

Maybe A Pic of your Hairy Face?

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On 5/2/2020 at 3:54 PM, not telling said:

Usually true of me, so I can't be offended by this...and anyway, I have no personal problem with Jordan Hess or anything-never met the kid. That said, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this is outrageous. I'm just the only one saying it. 

There is a reason, plural reasons, there aren't typically photos like this available to everyone everywhere. Good ones. I guess young people want to rewrite the rules. Not liking it doesn't make me a bitch.

What do you know about "the rules?" And if you've seen Jordan's work and can't understand why his clout is real, irregardless of his age, its not being a bitch you have to worry about...

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You saw the rant. Well great. Maybe you are the only one who saw that. You better not, with the photos. Someone might think I'm weird.:lol:

The pictures of the Plowden, however, are great! I never said they weren't. There are some missing angles...but yeah, no complaints. $50. I pulled the stick out and bought the package, as I suspect many more will do in the next few weeks.

I don't even know how my back is. Not as fragile. Recovery is slow, but recovery is recovery, I guess. I wish I could get worked on though, stupid pandemic. How's yours? How's anyone's back? 

Hey Chris, don't worry about what I think. I don't worry about what you think. I've seen your work.

 

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