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Looks BOB, head of very strange form, someone can identify region? I have no camera, did best to take photo of block, where you can see they go under block, or blocks are later?They are small and except particular one look quite nicely Repair label with date 18..IMG-2682.thumb.jpg.bc47959178ea4dcab336ced6ac125ff2.jpg

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12 minutes ago, Blank face said:

Looks like a nice Markneukirchen early 19th century with a lot of work necessary.

thanks, I also had that idea, but slightly earlier date. I never seen head like this before on violin...

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This shape with an extreme S curve is one of the several Vogtland types, often used with an inserted pin or roll for the A string between the G and E pegs like your's seems to have had formerly. Dating an unsigned instrument of this origin is always difficult, of course one could assume a rough making date between 1780 and 1830. Conservative estimation should prefer the later date.:)

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5 minutes ago, Blank face said:

This shape with an extreme S curve is one of the several Vogtland types, often used with an inserted pin or roll for the A string between the G and E pegs like your's seems to have had formerly. Dating an unsigned instrument of this origin is always difficult, of course one could assume a rough making date between 1780 and 1830. Conservative estimation should prefer the later date.:)

Aha, clear, thanks.

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6 hours ago, Blank face said:

Looks like a nice Markneukirchen early 19th century with a lot of work necessary.

And what makes this a nice violin? I'm still trying to figure out why some violins that look like piles of rubbish (not necessarily counting this one ['cept that pegbox that looks like someone's idea of innovation]), and violins that look competently made that are deemed to actually be sh!tpieces. 

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Could the neck have been frankensteined from another fiddle? The button does not look like it came from that back, doesn't fit the break and looks like it has a different varnish. 

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7 hours ago, Nick Allen said:

And what makes this a nice violin? I'm still trying to figure out why some violins that look like piles of rubbish (not necessarily counting this one ['cept that pegbox that looks like someone's idea of innovation]), and violins that look competently made that are deemed to actually be sh!tpieces. 

What's a "nice violin" to someone's eyes might depend a lot of what one has in mind. I wrote a nice Markneukirchen, this should be minded. Being used to esteem a Cremonese model (or certain other Italian makers) as the most high level of violinmaking could lead to appreciate every mass produced violin, as long as it keeps some standards and was produced with some similarity to those, more than an instrument following a different tradition even if it was made by a highly  skilled artist or craftsperson. Same applies to let's say a Kloz, an 18th century Viennese and other traditions, which are often dismissed even here for this reasons.

 

4 hours ago, baroquecello said:

Could the neck have been frankensteined from another fiddle? The button does not look like it came from that back, doesn't fit the break and looks like it has a different varnish. 

The neck is certainly different, because it was grafted to the most probably original scroll later. I can't see no evidence that the button isn't original, it was just glued back poorly.

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Chinese makers are also very skilled and constrained by the need to make a living. It is hard to understand the interest in these violins. Hopefully the next period of life in someones attic will render it irreparable and it will finally be laid to rest.

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6 minutes ago, avandesande said:

Chinese makers are also very skilled and constrained by the need to make a living. It is hard to understand the interest in these violins. Hopefully the next period of life in someones attic will render it irreparable and it will finally be laid to rest.

Well - it is up to you use Chinese modern Sh..t. :D   Or Cremona made Chinese instruments.  I like to restore old instruments , that violin is possible to restore in very good state, probably I'll choose baroque setup for it.  

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3 hours ago, mathieu valde said:

Well - it is up to you use Chinese modern Sh..t. :D   Or Cremona made Chinese instruments.  I like to restore old instruments , that violin is possible to restore in very good state, probably I'll choose baroque setup for it.  

How will you handle the broken button in this case?

Dorian

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22 hours ago, barnesviolins said:

How will you handle the broken button in this case?

Dorian

I have not yet started to plan how to... :)  When I'll open it, will be more info about all details 

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