Jg1133 Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Hello, This is my first post after reading a great deal over the past week on here. Great content everyone! I was hoping to get some opinions on this violin and any thoughts on time period, country of origin. I am a complete newbie! Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Thank you! Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 Could be a real Thir with an altered varnish. I'm also not 100% convinced of the scroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deans Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 I saw that too, on ebay, my thoughts were just as BF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaBobH Posted April 3, 2020 Report Share Posted April 3, 2020 The string slots on the nut are a bit too far to the right...should be re-worked if possible, or replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jg1133 Posted April 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 Thanks guys, I was confused on the scroll myself but the label looked good to me so I was a bit thrown off. The varnish I didn't even think about. This was listed on ebay and I got an offer for $4,500 which I passed on. Trying to figure out if I screwed up there or if I saved myself lol. I appreciate everyone's input, this is an amazing resource that I have enjoyed browsing! Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhiyi_zhang617 Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 hmm... An alleged fussen instrument, ca 1800, of mine has very similar outline and appearance as the OP, except the warmer syrup varnish. I have never thought it could be possibly associated with Thir (school). I have minimal violin knowledge and have not yet seen a Thir in person. However, in my impression, Thirs tend to be somewhat bold and stout looking, with a relatively broad pattern and rich/warm/dark varnish. Aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 The OP violin is a Johann Georg Thir in a rather sorry condition, needing considerable restauration. It doesn't make anything else a Thir violin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendicus Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 here is ebay listing, sold for $5000 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Johann-Georg-Thir-Vienna-1778-Violin-amp-Certication-of-Origin-/153878274341 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deans Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 It started at 20K, dropped to 10, then 5. Cant tell if it actually sold, or another offer was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhiyi_zhang617 Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: The OP violin is a Johann Georg Thir in a rather sorry condition, needing considerable restauration. It doesn't make anything else a Thir violin Thank you, Jacob; is this also a Thir (or maybe better than a Thir)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 a bit similar, but I would need far more Information than that to form an opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jg1133 Posted April 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 5 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: The OP violin is a Johann Georg Thir in a rather sorry condition, needing considerable restauration. It doesn't make anything else a Thir violin Thanks so much Jacob. The person who listed it sent me an offer for $4,500 which I declined. The more I thought about it I was not sure if I made a mistake there or not, as after I reached out I was told it ended up selling for $4,500 to someone else. Would this instrument be worth restoring because it is a Thir? Thank you all again! Trying to boost my knowledge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 10 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: The OP violin is a Johann Georg Thir in a rather sorry condition, needing considerable restauration. It doesn't make anything else a Thir violin What do you think about varnish and scroll of the OP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 The varnish on the belly looks the best. The back looks like someone has rubbed it down a lot, I'm not sure about the scroll either, and the ribs look like they have been planed down (originaly probably 32/33mm high). Seems a little expensive for a restoration project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deans Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 I was just fiddling around with one that I always thought was a later Thir, (maybe not). But with the usual rubdown and some condition issues. I have been in the market for a nice clean one, plenty around, but hard to find one that checks all the boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: The varnish on the belly looks the best. The back looks like someone has rubbed it down a lot, I'm not sure about the scroll either, and the ribs look like they have been planed down (originaly probably 32/33mm high). Seems a little expensive for a restoration project. There's this odd scratched down area between bridge and bass soundhole making me wonder if the most part of the varnish isn't a later addition, maybe from the mid 19th. But hard to tell by photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 4, 2020 Report Share Posted April 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Jg1133 said: Thanks so much Jacob. The person who listed it sent me an offer for $4,500 which I declined. The more I thought about it I was not sure if I made a mistake there or not, as after I reached out I was told it ended up selling for $4,500 to someone else. Would this instrument be worth restoring because it is a Thir? Thank you all again! Trying to boost my knowledge! I would be loath to pay so much for one needing so much work. Either my scotish DNA or my survival instinct, not sure which Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 4/4/2020 at 9:58 AM, Jg1133 said: Thanks so much Jacob. The person who listed it sent me an offer for $4,500 which I declined. The more I thought about it I was not sure if I made a mistake there or not, as after I reached out I was told it ended up selling for $4,500 to someone else. Would this instrument be worth restoring because it is a Thir? Thank you all again! Trying to boost my knowledge! On 4/4/2020 at 6:50 PM, jacobsaunders said: I would be loath to pay so much for one needing so much work. Either my scotish DNA or my survival instinct, not sure which Relisted. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Johann-Georg-Thir-Vienna-1778-Violin-Certication-of-Origin-/153888572258?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deans Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 49 minutes ago, Violadamore said: Relisted. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Johann-Georg-Thir-Vienna-1778-Violin-Certication-of-Origin-/153888572258?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10 All yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jg1133 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 Good lord, I think I'll pass since everyone else is thanks again everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted April 6, 2020 Report Share Posted April 6, 2020 42 minutes ago, deans said: All yours I feel that an appropriate offer wouldn't interest them much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AT2470 Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 First post here too...long time lurker and I had thrown an offer on this one too but glad to see the consensus. Also didn't like how the seller ended the last no-reserve auction a day early and relisted for $4500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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