Cello scroll style

[Jim Bress]

I bought this cello scroll from The Chimney’s auction last year as a visual/tactile reference aid for my own carving. By studying pictures, I don’t think this scroll is in the Guarneri family style, based on the last turn going around the eye. Other than that my eye is not trained well enough to say what school/maker this may have been made after. I have no idea, who actually made it. I do like it. If there are details that folks don’t, please point them out. 
 

Thanks,

Jim

[JPherson]

Missing the pic  unless I’m really blind lol

Jesse

[Jim Bress]

Pics added. You were too fast. 

[jacobsaunders]

I have a quantity of scrolls like that from the Jaura estate, many of which came from the Zach liquidation. Safe assumption is that they were made in Markneukirchen

[Jim Bress]

Thanks Jacob.

[Michael H]

Handsome scroll.  Anyone have extras laying around, PM me  

[David Burgess]

57 minutes ago, Michael H said:

Handsome scroll.  Anyone have extras laying around, PM me  

Ouch!

[Jim Bress]

8 hours ago, Michael H said:

Handsome scroll.  Anyone have extras laying around, PM me  

Day late and a dollar short.  I had one other nice looking cello scroll (maple not beech) that I just gave away to a cello in need.  Hope it reaches it destination intact.

[Conor Russell]

I have  a  few of these from different times, some quite old. They  made various models, and are often  beautifully carved. The most recent were made for a famous Italian  maker, and bought from the supplier in the early  80s. But those were completely  machine  cut, and had to be finished  all over.

 

[Jim Bress]

20 minutes ago, Conor Russell said:

I have  a  few of these from different times, some quite old. They  made various models, and are often  beautifully carved. The most recent were made for a famous Italian  maker, and bought from the supplier in the early  80s. But those were completely  machine  cut, and had to be finished  all over.

 

Back to the original question, does this scroll look to be made after a particular model/style?

[Michael H]

23 hours ago, David Burgess said:

Ouch!

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[Conor Russell]

On 3/19/2020 at 10:30 AM, Jim Bress said:

Back to the original question, does this scroll look to be made after a particular model/style?

I don't  know.  I looked through  my  lot and couldn't  find  any  model names. I remembered some of the violin heads were marked Ruggieri, others Strad, but I may have passed them on, as I can't see them now.

The later cello heads from the  60s have a hole in the heel  of the neck,  presumably a mounting  mark from a copying  machine. 

[Jim Bress]

Thanks for looking Conor.  I've been looking at pics of P. G. Rogeri, F. Ruggeri, J. Guarneri, and A. Guarneri, and they all appear to squared shoulders next to the chin.  I'm guessing that is an Amati trait.  The shoulders on this scroll curved inward.  I like the look.  Maybe it's a clue?  No hole in any of the heels.

 

 

[Conor Russell]

10 hours ago, Jim Bress said:

Thanks for looking Conor.  I've been looking at pics of P. G. Rogeri, F. Ruggeri, J. Guarneri, and A. Guarneri, and they all appear to squared shoulders next to the chin.  I'm guessing that is an Amati trait.  The shoulders on this scroll curved inward.  I like the look.  Maybe it's a clue?  No hole in any of the heels.

 

 

All of mine are the same.  The darker one is from 1935, the paler 1962. The older one  is  much finer, but they were always available in various  grades.

You can see the centre in the heel of the newer one.

The violin heads were often very nice, and even good makers used them. There's a Hofmann violin in the Chimneys auction (12) that may well have one of there on it, and he was well capable of carving his own. My scrolls came from  his workshop. 

[Jim Bress]

Very interesting. Thanks Conor.