Sound Post Technique

[VicM]

43 minutes ago, Jeffrey Holmes said:

1. Hmmm. Guess you don't like my style much.  That's OK.  I'm comfortable with it and no-one else has stepped up.

2. I am sure you and others have very little idea of how and when I intervene.  I like it that way, but I assure you I do intervene.

3. My "job" is on a volunteer basis and has been for 2 decades. 

4. The choice of anonymity is not mine.  Take that issue up with the owners/administration.

5. The choice to read and/or participate on this forum is yours.

 

1. I am sorry to be honest : I do not like your style at all. Please accept my apologies.

2. I saw you allow a long thread full of disgusting alusions and trolling to go on. Happen many times in the past also. Maybe you find this amusing but I do not.

3. I know that. I think you do not have the time and the interest to "police" the forum . It could be good to ask for help from some older contributors.

4. I will do that.

5. That is true but responsibility for having "sanitary" content is yours. Forum is read by anybody with Internet and many may be childrens/girls etc. I suggest you to clarify the limit for behavior/language for all members.

Thank you for your kind reply to my post. I will contact you privately to discuss further and to possibly have a face to face meeting.

 

[Blank face]

We could make a poll who likes Morgana's postings more than a behaviour police.

[jezzupe]

On 2/26/2020 at 6:26 AM, jacobsaunders said:

If you think what a violin is, quite unromantically, it is a wooden box under string tension. If you fit a snug sound post in this “wooden box” without tension, then apply the string tension, then the back will become stretched and the belly compressed (both longitudinally)which will cause the belly to slightly rise. Thereafter the sound post will not be “snug” any more. A sound post that is to short will mean that the string tension via the bridge will be pressing the belly down onto the sound post, which over time cases all sorts of problems (belly distortions etc.). A sound post with the appropriate tension will stand up without string tension on its own, and Roger's squeezing of the ribs (which also causes the belly to rise) is the test, that it is snug enough but not too snug. If it lays down just because you take the string tension off, you can be sure that it’s too loose.

 

Your previous question conflated two things. If some kid from the Music School comes around with a fallen over post, of course you stand it up for free, after all, it only takes 10 seconds. On the other hand, if somebody is going to give you the third degree for 2 hours because his naughty sound post lay down, and why etc. then one may wish to charge the time.

Psychological therapy rates at 250$ and hour at least.

"so how long have you had these thoughts about your soundpost and it's position?"

[Evan Smith]

On 2/29/2020 at 9:58 AM, VicM said:

1. I am sorry to be honest : I do not like your style at all. Please accept my apologies.

2. I saw you allow a long thread full of disgusting alusions and trolling to go on. Happen many times in the past also. Maybe you find this amusing but I do not.

3. I know that. I think you do not have the time and the interest to "police" the forum . It could be good to ask for help from some older contributors.

4. I will do that.

5. That is true but responsibility for having "sanitary" content is yours. Forum is read by anybody with Internet and many may be childrens/girls etc. I suggest you to clarify the limit for behavior/language for all members.

Thank you for your kind reply to my post. I will contact you privately to discuss further and to possibly have a face to face meeting.

 

 

Vic,,,, Nice for you to have the honorable desire to clean up the net for us, I have many daughters and am horrified by the condition, and the availability of smut everywhere that we look, it almost feels like a disservice for them to be here.

They are all self supporting decent outstanding people that contribute to society in a positive and enlightening way, doing service work for those that have a hard time getting a grip. The world can be confusing and challenging and lots of people just loose it, and hang on by a thread.

I do not want to contribute to their failure, there are enough things to stumble upon already without me adding to the load over my butt hurt self.

I apologize to you for what I said, but in a way I meant it,,

I don't believe Morgana is a troll or in anyway stupid, she doesn't communicate in a way that is comprehensible to some people, but she is certainly not stupid, nor has she threatened anyone, she is TRULY WEIRD!

Demanding that she be banned is unbelievably irresponsible and appears dictatorial and flat out disgusting.

She's a bit strange, or shall I say not a clone of everyone else,,I get that,, She's ok in my book,,, I would like to meet her.

So I have a problem, I like people, I like weird and different.

I have always said if everyone I know got together in one spot, the variety would blow your mind.

Be at peace with people, it makes life,,,,,

Better.

[Rue]

I like Jeffrey's parenting, er, I mean, moderating style! 

[Jeffrey Holmes]

1 hour ago, VicM said:

1. I am sorry to be honest : I do not like your style at all. Please accept my apologies.

2. I saw you allow a long thread full of disgusting alusions and trolling to go on. Happen many times in the past also. Maybe you find this amusing but I do not.

3. I know that. I think you do not have the time and the interest to "police" the forum . It could be good to ask for help from some older contributors.

4. I will do that.

5. That is true but responsibility for having "sanitary" content is yours. Forum is read by anybody with Internet and many may be childrens/girls etc. I suggest you to clarify the limit for behavior/language for all members.

Thank you for your kind reply to my post. I will contact you privately to discuss further and to possibly have a face to face meeting.

 

1) No problem.  Apology not necessary.  I'm sure (I know) you're not alone. I expect a certain amount of self correction here, and believe a lighter hand is better than a heavy one.   If members are annoyed by someone in particular, I would hope they simply ignore them.  If rules of the board are broken, I may use my delete key or a reminder/request on the thread to cease and desist. You do not need to agree.  BTW: I've read a good number of your previous posts.  Can't  say I like  your style either.

2) If there is something in a post that you find disturbing or disgusting, please use the report feature.  I've asked this before.  That's why it's there.  It's quite effective. 

3) You are correct.  Intercepting spam and keeping up on every post all the time is more than I am capable of while still attending to my own firm. I would welcome help from someone who has the time and understanding of the subject matter here. So far "help" has been a fleeting thing.  

4) Good.  Can't say I much like it either.

5) How many forums do you participate on? I can say that few with this kind of traffic have a completely "sanitary" content. In the case of this thread, you'd probably be surprised by what you didn't see (because I got to it before it appeared, or very shortly after).

Rather take this off the board at this point.  You are welcome to email or PM  me if you have more to say.

[David Burgess]

1 hour ago, VicM said:

1. I am sorry to be honest : I do not like your style at all. Please accept my apologies.

2. I saw you allow a long thread full of disgusting alusions and trolling to go on. Happen many times in the past also. Maybe you find this amusing but I do not.

3. I know that. I think you do not have the time and the interest to "police" the forum . It could be good to ask for help from some older contributors.

4. I will do that.

5. That is true but responsibility for having "sanitary" content is yours. Forum is read by anybody with Internet and many may be childrens/girls etc. I suggest you to clarify the limit for behavior/language for all members.

Tips for those who are easily annoyed

10 signs you might be a control freak

[jezzupe]

Forums are not democracies , they are dictatorships, and in the past "we've" {the collective} had to gang up on people and run them out of town so to speak...

So, don't think we won't do it again. It generally starts with one member being continuously irksome in some way that generally leads to lots of members complaining about that member, to which Jeffery always gives people second, third and fourth chances to try to get along with the established collective, but sometimes that person just doesn't get along with "us" , so much so that they start emailing people, threatening people, making strange "vanilla sky" like statements about "our time together" and in general start giving off a sanctimonious serial killer vibe that generally does not go over well with most here, and well eventually they are determined to be a witch and burned at the stake, so to speak

of course this is no threat from me, I have no power here, I'm just the crazy infj mascot

But it is like a "Bar" that you have walked into off the street, you come in, you sit down, and in the bar are all the "regulars" many who have been here for decades, and so you can sit down and start to chat, play some darts have some drinks, and well hopefully you'll all get along and maybe you'll make some new friends, but the chance is always there that lots of the people there won't like you depending on how you conduct yourself and you may find yourself out on the curb with a fat lip, and there will be no violin police to come save you

I participate in many forums, and by far, hands down, Jeffery is the best mod ever

[Violadamore]

3 hours ago, jezzupe said:

Forums are not democracies , they are dictatorships, and in the past "we've" {the collective} had to gang up on people and run them out of town so to speak...

So, don't think we won't do it again. It generally starts with one member being continuously irksome in some way that generally leads to lots of members complaining about that member, to which Jeffery always gives people second, third and fourth chances to try to get along with the established collective, but sometimes that person just doesn't get along with "us" , so much so that they start emailing people, threatening people, making strange "vanilla sky" like statements about "our time together" and in general start giving off a sanctimonious serial killer vibe that generally does not go over well with most here, and well eventually they are determined to be a witch and burned at the stake, so to speak

of course this is no threat from me, I have no power here, I'm just the crazy infj mascot

But it is like a "Bar" that you have walked into off the street, you come in, you sit down, and in the bar are all the "regulars" many who have been here for decades, and so you can sit down and start to chat, play some darts have some drinks, and well hopefully you'll all get along and maybe you'll make some new friends, but the chance is always there that lots of the people there won't like you depending on how you conduct yourself and you may find yourself out on the curb with a fat lip, and there will be no violin police to come save you

I participate in many forums, and by far, hands down, Jeffery is the best mod ever

Very excellent reply.  While a huge amount of serious information gets exchanged on MN, it does so in a social setting, which is one of the beauties of the place which continually attracts new members (as well as hosts of passing lurkers).  MN is both the online gold standard for technical violin information, as well as a very friendly place to hang out.  You don't have to file a vita with the moderators and pass some sort of professional vetting to join, neither is the membership stratified into classes of varying privilege to any real degree.  MN isn't some exclusive organization where only "the proper sort" get to interact.  There's no initiation or subscription fees.  All you need is a sincere interest in fiddles, that the other members can recognize.  And that's what keeps it from getting "stuffy" in here. 

On the anonymity issue, it serves as a protection from the sort of outside-the-forum verbal, physical and financial harassment which one can attract all too easily by waving their personal information around openly on the internet.  Don't anybody forget that. 

[martin swan]

7 hours ago, VicM said:

1. I am sorry to be honest : I do not like your style at all. Please accept my apologies.

2. I saw you allow a long thread full of disgusting alusions and trolling to go on. Happen many times in the past also. Maybe you find this amusing but I do not.

3. I know that. I think you do not have the time and the interest to "police" the forum . It could be good to ask for help from some older contributors.

4. I will do that.

5. That is true but responsibility for having "sanitary" content is yours. Forum is read by anybody with Internet and many may be childrens/girls etc. I suggest you to clarify the limit for behavior/language for all members.

Thank you for your kind reply to my post. I will contact you privately to discuss further and to possibly have a face to face meeting.

 

I don't think this is the right place for you ... and I for one would be very uncomfortable with the idea that you are engaging in private conversations with our excellent moderator about how you could "improve" Maestronet.

[The Violin Beautiful]

I would like to thank Jeffrey Holmes for all his work as a moderator. It’s difficult to balance a career and a regular online presence, but I think our moderator does so admirably.

A moderator for this forum needs to be someone with enough experience to understand the complexity of the issues that are discussed as well as someone with the thoughtfulness to be able to avoid hasty and harsh judgment when monitoring content. I’m sure we could find someone willing to sit at a monitor all day and flag things, but we’d never find someone that would also have the understanding of the trade needed.

Having interacted with Jeffrey in person at Oberlin, I believe he has a real knack for bringing some really excellent people together in one place and can often get them to cooperate and collaborate in ways that they might not otherwise. I think he is good at fostering that atmosphere on Maestronet as well. The difficulty is that it’s easy for things to get out of hand when everyone is online and can’t speak in person. Comments get misunderstood, or people end up saying things from a distance that they never would in person.
 

It’s not an easy task to handle all the volume of text that goes through these threads, and deciding what to delete and what to allow is not a simple process. A lot happens outside the public forums to maintain a peaceable community. Simply put, a moderator’s function is literally to moderate the forum, not to control it or treat a particular perspective preferentially.

Please don’t aggravate Jeffrey so that he steps down. For those who find his style too lenient, consider that he’s been more receptive to your harsh criticism than you have been to his gentle suggestions. The fact that his presence isn’t always obvious is a testament to his sensibility. I could not wish for a better moderator. 
 

 

[violins88]

Ditto! What he/she said.

[Muswell]

I think this forum runs very well as it is.

Incidentally, I  tried to join with my real name but wasn't allowed to.  I think I have a namesake with a bad reputation

[Michael Darnton]

I think one's perception of this place must have to do with the people you normally hang around with. I have to say that in terms of personal behavior this forum is by far the worst of any I participate in, which is many,  and that is why I'm often not here. I see that quite a number of previous valuable participants have taken the same path, so you might think about the people Jessupe is so proud of having run out of town, and what that says about him.

[Evan Smith]

Exactly,

 

The defensive argumentative attitudes are not part of the crowd I ever hang with,,reminds me of a bunch of gossiping whining little girls, always trying to out do each other.,,,,,,,,,,,participated in  thousands of real world workshop hours, don't see it,, only an isolated person or two over the years. And it ends up they are just needy and overly sensitive and afraid,, just do my best to help them buck up and relax, lets be friends ok!

But here,,,,,, I often wonder where all these butt hurt people come from,,and what is this need to eternally argue, name drop, brown nose,, ect,,,

GEEZ! Get a Grip!

[David Burgess]

39 minutes ago, Michael Darnton said:

I think one's perception of this place must have to do with the people you normally hang around with. I have to say that in terms of personal behavior this forum is by far the worst of any I participate in, which is many,  and that is why I'm often not here. I see that quite a number of previous valuable participants have taken the same path, so you might think about the people Jessupe is so proud of having run out of town, and what that says about him.

It's quite normal for people on forums to come and go, or for their activity, interest, or participation levels to change over time. I wouldn't try to read too much into the same thing happening here.

[VicM]

14 hours ago, martin swan said:

I don't think this is the right place for you ... and I for one would be very uncomfortable with the idea that you are engaging in private conversations with our excellent moderator about how you could "improve" Maestronet.

Not important what you think and I do not care ( or need to care ! ) if you feel comfortable. You are in UK and this Forum is in Canada. Forum is open to public with no reservation and must be safe for young people, childrens etc. Your penis jokes have no place here. This is not what a girl or boy of say 10-11 years olds should read when thye step over MN for some information on violins. Recent you were naming people "knukle dragging" in some  situation but you are comfortable with disgusting rubbish which goes on and even contribute to it.

[David Burgess]

5 minutes ago, VicM said:

Not important what you think and I do not care ( or need to care ! ) if you feel comfortable. You are in UK and this Forum is in Canada. Forum is open to public with no reservation and must be safe for young people, childrens etc. Your penis jokes have no place here. This is not what a girl or boy of say 10-11 years olds should read when thye step over MN for some information on violins. Recent you were naming people "knukle dragging" in some  situation but you are comfortable with disgusting rubbish which goes on and even contribute to it.

What do you think these kids are routinely running across at school, and in their Facebook groups? Have you never had kids?

[VicM]

16 hours ago, Violadamore said:

Very excellent reply.  While a huge amount of serious information gets exchanged on MN, it does so in a social setting, which is one of the beauties of the place which continually attracts new members (as well as hosts of passing lurkers). 

MN is both the online gold standard for technical violin information, as well as

a very friendly place to hang out. 

You don't have to file a vita with the moderators and pass some sort of professional vetting to join,

neither is the membership stratified into classes of varying privilege to any real degree.  MN isn't some exclusive organization where only "the proper sort" get to interact. 

There's no initiation or subscription fees. 

All you need is a sincere interest in fiddles, that the other members can recognize. 

And that's what keeps it from getting "stuffy" in here. 

 

On the anonymity issue, it serves as a protection from the sort of outside-the-forum verbal, physical and financial harassment which one can attract all too easily by waving their personal information around openly on the internet.  Don't anybody forget that. 

I was only writting about disgusting jokes.... You think you are anonymous ???? That is naive.

 

[Evan Smith]

There are many amazing people around here that are way more intelligent than I am and I am here to learn,,,,,, and participate when I think there might be some benefit. My personal perception is I am standing around grateful for the scraps, but the sometimes constant tension drives me nuts.

I guess that I have to settle with the fact that some folks just won't have a nice day till they've won and argument or two, and that's that.

Then there's that Infamous Irish maker,,,

Connor,

Acting all polite, asking polite questions if he doesn't understand something, staying calm, talking all intelligent, making the rest of us looking like a bunch of heathens.

Don't know about that boy,,,

[VicM]

2 minutes ago, David Burgess said:

What do you think these kids are routinely running across at school, and in their Facebook groups? Have you never had kids?

Do you feel we should amplify that problem or maybe serve as good example with civilized discussion ?

And I have three grown up "kids".

[David Burgess]

Interesting question. That's approaching an age were kids often want to do the opposite of their parents.

Example: My Dad's Dad was reputed to have a very foul mouth, and no use for religion. My Dad ended up being a minister.

[VicM]

9 minutes ago, David Burgess said:

Interesting question. That's approaching an age were kids often want to do the opposite of their parents.

Example: My Dad's Dad was reputed to have a very foul mouth, and no use for religion. My Dad ended up being a minister.

I do not think we should encourage towards bad language but we should set better example. I can not comment on your Fater but he was not on the Internet for all World to read. Also I am sure his bad language in private was not around children. Nowdays we must pay more attention and speak/write so that young people from many cultures will not be give bad example or be offended or even traumatized.

[Blank face]

2 minutes ago, VicM said:

Nowdays we must pay more attention and speak/write so that young people from many cultures will not be give bad example or be offended or even traumatized.

On 11/23/2019 at 10:42 PM, VicM said:

 FGM is wide spread on the African continent. Those populations developed their cultures over millennia. What makes you think middle class fat Nord Americans know better and have the right to call honored traditions of OTHER RACES, barbaric ????

[Blank face]

Some sort of double standard? Penis is bad for children, but mutilation (illegal in all african countries) was right?