Wood Butcher Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, sospiri said: Yes that's the best method, but I don't think I asked the question in the right way. What I meant to ask was, if a customer experiences a sound post falling when they change the strings, should the dealer/maker/restorer stand it back up free of charge to maintain good customer relations, and explain your method of string changing to avoid it happening again? 6 minutes ago, sospiri said: Assuming the post is not too short though? I think it would be dependant on where the instrument was purchased. If it wasn’t that store, I can see there would be a charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, sospiri said: 11 minutes ago, sospiri said: Assuming the post is not too short though? Assuming the post is not too short though? It wouldn't have fallen over if it wasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Darnton Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 I don't charge for adjustments that don't involve shop cutting time so I would stand it back up, just as I do for people who come in off the street with a fallen bridge or post. If something is wrong, I tell them they will need to get it fixed, by me or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: It wouldn't have fallen over if it wasn't It could have fallen over if it was in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sospiri Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wood Butcher said: I think it would be dependant on where the instrument was purchased. If it wasn’t that store, I can see there would be a charge. Agreed 3 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: It wouldn't have fallen over if it wasn't But if you fitted the post and it fell over when they changed the strings? I'm concurring with Martin and yer mate Roger Hargrave, that a post fitted not too tight may fall over when the instrument is squeezed slightly at the c bouts with the strings off. Just now, Michael Darnton said: I don't charge for adjustments that don't involve shop cutting time so I would stand it back up, just as I do for people who come in off the street with a fallen bridge or post. If something is wrong, I tell them they will need to get it fixed, by me or someone else. Excellent Michael, that's the policy I was hoping for. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, sospiri said: But if you fitted the post and it fell over when they changed the strings? I'm concurring with Martin and yer mate Roger Hargrave, that a post fitted not too tight may fall over when the instrument is squeezed slightly at the c bouts with the strings off. Don't sqeeze it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sospiri Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 Just now, jacobsaunders said: Don't sqeeze it then I think your missing the point. Deliberately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, sospiri said: I think your missing the point. Deliberately. If you think what a violin is, quite unromantically, it is a wooden box under string tension. If you fit a snug sound post in this “wooden box” without tension, then apply the string tension, then the back will become stretched and the belly compressed (both longitudinally)which will cause the belly to slightly rise. Thereafter the sound post will not be “snug” any more. A sound post that is to short will mean that the string tension via the bridge will be pressing the belly down onto the sound post, which over time cases all sorts of problems (belly distortions etc.). A sound post with the appropriate tension will stand up without string tension on its own, and Roger's squeezing of the ribs (which also causes the belly to rise) is the test, that it is snug enough but not too snug. If it lays down just because you take the string tension off, you can be sure that it’s too loose. Your previous question conflated two things. If some kid from the Music School comes around with a fallen over post, of course you stand it up for free, after all, it only takes 10 seconds. On the other hand, if somebody is going to give you the third degree for 2 hours because his naughty sound post lay down, and why etc. then one may wish to charge the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sospiri Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said: Your previous question conflated two things. I didn't conflate anything. You did. It was a really simple question. Michael gave a simple answer. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkwood Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 Change your strings one at a time and the post won't fall over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 32 minutes ago, sospiri said: I didn't conflate anything. You did. It was a really simple question. Michael gave a simple answer. Case closed. Michael's answer was exactly the same as mine in different words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 Peace everyone. It's just a soundpost. Important, yes. Worth fighting about? My opinion is no (and I'm afraid my opinion carries weight in this particular case). I won't be approving a few recent posts. My suggestion is that anyone who feels their time is being wasted, that others are fools, they don't have the energy, they feel under appreciated, they just have to argue, etc. simply switch to another thread that makes them feel better. Disagreement does not require insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Yacey Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 Stand the post up and send the future, potential customer on their way. Sometimes a small gesture can go a long way towards building future business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgana Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Jeffrey Holmes said: Peace everyone. It's just a soundpost. Important, yes. Worth fighting about? My opinion is no (and I'm afraid my opinion carries weight in this particular case). I won't be approving a few recent posts. My suggestion is that anyone who feels their time is being wasted, that others are fools, they don't have the energy, they feel under appreciated, they just have to argue, etc. simply switch to another thread that makes them feel better. Disagreement does not require insults. Sorry, I insulted Violin beautiful. I am glad you removed my comments, Jeffrey luv. But why not remove the penis jibe? That was disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgana Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 I'd like to ask a question about sound post dowels. I have used different grained woods, some are hard, with thick and dark lines in the spruce or pine, and others I have used from fir tree off cuts pale, fine lined, and almost 2 mms radius thicker over the years. Both have different qualities. The dark, pine looking ones are very hard, and are thinner, and if my memory is correct, have been useful for thinner topped, older violins, but seem to be not so good in newer violins or violas. Also, should sound posts be made of aged wood, or doesn't it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 6 hours ago, jacobsaunders said: Don't sqeeze it then It's hard to resist giving an occasional squeeze to the one you love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 52 minutes ago, morgana said: But why not remove the penis jibe? That was disgusting. 'Cause I missed it with all that was going on. Point me to the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, morgana said: But why not remove the penis jibe? That was disgusting. Don't be ridiculous ... it wasn't a jibe and it wasn't disgusting. Maybe you should ask Uncle Duke if he was offended? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, morgana said: But why not remove the penis jibe? That was disgusting. Have you not also made many sexual innuendos? Play in that minefield, and you will get what you get. If things here were highly sanitized, probably neither you or I would be allowed to post here anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgana Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 2/25/2020 at 1:52 PM, morgana said: Please Martin, there is no need for that. Duke was just saying about how to make a decent sound post by explaining about making with a nice story from his youth, for goodness sake, pack it in, please!!! Jeffrey here is the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, morgana said: Jeffrey here is the post. Got it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgana Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 hours ago, David Burgess said: Have you not also made many sexual innuendos? Play in that minefield, and you will get what you get. If things here were highly sanitized, probably neither you or I would be allowed to post here anymore. Yes, I have in the past, but nothing insulting others about their privates. There is innuendos, but I think Martin crossed the borders with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 All in the past now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 I am devastated, humiliated and deeply apologetic if I've offended Errol Flynn in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgana Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jeffrey Holmes said: All in the past now. Righto Jeffrey. On a lighter note, has anyone else had a catalogue of disasters retrieving a fallen sound post from the violin? I have. In front of a customer. I was sitting on my swivel chair, my neck against the back, as I have displaced neck vertebrae due to playing violin, I forgot to put my glasses on, it was a narrow F hole, so it was called by me a little illegitimate, and I got some crud in my eye, sharp, crud, which I also used choice language about as it really hurt, then, it suddenly showed it's ugly head and I pulled it out with pincers, which the little b.....d managed to escape from swiftly onto the hard floor, then, disappeared Houdini like, which I found with my foot, as I stood up and on it. Snap,...err, oh dear, sorry about that, to customer, I will just make you another one, smilingly. And, apologised to her about the number of swear words, as she didn't seem to have much sense of humour. The child learned somethings, though. Oops! Now I know what the back room is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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