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bow ID... Vuillaume?

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Here are a couple of pics... never seen a bow with a frog so excessively rounded. Can someone please enlighten me as to .. age? school? region?  There is no brand on the stick, but there are the frog/stick matching marks.

Thks, Mat

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Bromptons just sold a Sartory with just such a frog. You need better photos, including the head, heel, mortise and under slide in order to get any meaningful response but it certainly looks interesting.

edit: I see there is no underside at all and the inletting goes to the end of the stick, which I think indicates English.

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34 minutes ago, PhilipKT said:

I see there is no underside at all and the inletting goes to the end of the stick, which I think indicates English.

No.

There is an underslide btw.

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1 hour ago, Wood Butcher said:

No.

There is an underslide btw.

I didn’t see one but I guess that green stripe means corroded nickel, so I stand corrected. Doesn’t inletting all the way to the end of the stick indicate English? Realize that is just one of the indications in by itself it means nothing, but I thought that was an indication.

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3 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

Bromptons just sold a Sartory with just such a frog. You need better photos, including the head, heel, mortise and under slide in order to get any meaningful response but it certainly looks interesting.

edit: I see there is no underside at all and the inletting goes to the end of the stick, which I think indicates English.

Very cheap MK "fancy" bow.

I don't think Bromptons cn have sold a Sartory with "just such a frog".

"Inletting all the way to the end of the stick" isn't something you'd find on a Hill bow. Or a Vuillaume, or an EA Ouchard ...

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1 hour ago, martin swan said:

Very cheap MK "fancy" bow.

I don't think Bromptons cn have sold a Sartory with "just such a frog".

"Inletting all the way to the end of the stick" isn't something you'd find on a Hill bow. Or a Vuillaume, or an EA Ouchard ...

If you went through the items in the just finished auction at Brompton’s, one of the bows was a violin bow that had a paper sticker on it that said Sartori, and the bow was sold as genuine, although the The frog was described as unusual. I have not checked that listing to compare the frogs, but they did look similar as I remember.

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Both the metal lined pearl slide and the circular rounded ferrule matching the frog edges qualify the frog as Markneukirchen work, also the fancy adjuster with rounded collar. At a Sartory you won’t find this features if it’s original.

Round „Vuillaume slides“ carved or rather milled to the end of the stick are common at cheaper Mirecourt and Markneukirchen work, too.

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4 hours ago, martin swan said:

Can you link to this? I'm not aware of any auction at Bromptons that's just finished ...

Unfortunately not. The picture is no longer available at Bromptons. However I remember now that the frog was square. There were some similarities between the frog but not enough to call it similar. I remember the bow because it was owned by my friend who gave it to Peter Horner to put in the auction.

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One thing we learn through bitter experience is that it's never a good idea to let someone get excited about what they have unless there's very good reason. It just doesn't help anyone.

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1 hour ago, martin swan said:

One thing we learn through bitter experience is that it's never a good idea to let someone get excited about what they have unless there's very good reason. It just doesn't help anyone.

Understood. That’s why when I say anything that might elicit your admonition, I include a caveat.

applogies.

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This exact bow bow is pictured in Roy Ehrhardt's Volume 1, with a "Tourte" stamp.  As sold by the JW Jenkins Sons Music Co. in 1912, priced at $26.50 per dozen.  

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OK... Thanks for all your thoughts... I get the picture... and I have learned to not get excited about a find, but now more interested in the history of the some of these oddities. Likely more pics will not add to the conversation, but here are a few, for the curious. ... Cheers, Mat

Ps... the pics are not great and I must say that in my time of film SLR's and split image focussing I could take much better pictures... these modern electonic cameras ( mine a Pentax K7) have just too many settings and ajustments... and the focus is automatic and never really good.... maybe its just me getting old.

 

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