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22 hours ago, MarkBouquet said:

It's bothersome that some (many) of the adds I'm seeing are lurid and crass. How were those selected as related to this topic? I wouldn't claim this if it weren't true, but I personally have no history of viewing such stuff, so I'm not the catalyst they're using to show these add to me specifically. It really seems like something's gone wrong here. Jeffery, comments?

I personally don't like the ads in the content no matter what they are hawking, but I simply volunteer here and am not involved in the revenue flow.  It costs to run the the servers, spade software, etc.  We work in a relatively small industry, so banner ads and listings probably aren't cutting it.  I think it probably comes down to ads or membership/subscription dues.

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8 hours ago, Jeffrey Holmes said:

I personally don't like the ads in the content no matter what they are hawking, but I simply volunteer here and am not involved in the revenue flow.  It costs to run the the servers, spade software, etc.  We work in a relatively small industry, so banner ads and listings probably aren't cutting it.  I think it probably comes down to ads or membership/subscription dues.

I have a suggestion. A lot of people come here, say, “what is my instrument”, they get their reply, and they leave. And their entire history here consist of three comments they make, and four comments they get back. How about selling temporary memberships? For a certain amount of $ you  get a certain amount of time, or certain number of comments. That way they’re not just paying to have their instrument evaluated, which would of course involve lots of caveats, all of which are common sense, but it would also give an incentive to the people who are interested in making To participate in discussions and decide whether they wanted to remain. At the end of the introductory period, whatever that is, they can pay a certain amount As a one time lifetime fee, and never worry about it again, and if all they wanted was to have that one gramma’s violin evaluated, well then they can let the membership expire and everybody’s happy.

I bet there’s 10 request a week for a identification of this or that instrument. And frankly, I spent a lot of time here, even though I’ve learned nothing in 20 years, but I’d be willing to pay 20 or 30 bucks a year to keep this place going and not have to worry about all those lonely Russian women.

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17 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

I have a suggestion. A lot of people come here, say, “what is my instrument”, they get their reply, and they leave. And their entire history here consist of three comments they make, and four comments they get back. How about selling temporary memberships? For a certain amount of $ you  get a certain amount of time, or certain number of comments. That way they’re not just paying to have their instrument evaluated, which would of course involve lots of caveats, all of which are common sense, but it would also give an incentive to the people who are interested in making To participate in discussions and decide whether they wanted to remain. At the end of the introductory period, whatever that is, they can pay a certain amount As a one time lifetime fee, and never worry about it again, and if all they wanted was to have that one gramma’s violin evaluated, well then they can let the membership expire and everybody’s happy.

I bet there’s 10 request a week for a identification of this or that instrument. And frankly, I spent a lot of time here, even though I’ve learned nothing in 20 years, but I’d be willing to pay 20 or 30 bucks a year to keep this place going and not have to worry about all those lonely Russian women.

:) Any "program" involving fee per access or service requires maintenance and the ability to provide said service to the satisfaction of the purchaser.

Pay per initial use sounds like a snake pit to me.

So....  I'll be blunt.

If you do wish to pass this idea along please do so, however.  Who knows.  Might generate enough to drop some of the ads, but two things:

1) You might (will most likely) lose a moderator (keeping up with pay-per-use members expecting meaningful responses would quickly drive me away).  I'm sure my departure might not upset everyone, but 'd advise getting someone else qualified to moderate first or this board will be a vastly different place (you don't see what never makes it on the board).

2) I'm not so sure people will be hot on temporary memberships for evaluation in the first place.  Many of these inquiries come from owners who are too cheap to pay for a verbal opinion from a qualified local luthier... Not having access to a qualified luthier is different, but many of those individuals contact me, and I assume others, by email anyway.  I kind of doubt they'd want to pay for the entertainment here.

You will notice I rarely comment on "what is this" inquiry threads... Not trying to discourage others who wish too...  I'm just aware of the many caveats that can be involved without knowing exactly where that inquiry is coming from or from whom.

Subscription access for all might work.  Less screwing around.  If the admin. of this board is interested in going down that road, I'd imagine they'll want to check with existing members to see how that would really go over.

Or... we can just ignore the ads like we do on virtually every other website (facebook, etc.) that inserts them in our feed and carry on.

 

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18 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

I have a suggestion. A lot of people come here, say, “what is my instrument”, they get their reply, and they leave. And their entire history here consist of three comments they make, and four comments they get back. How about selling temporary memberships? For a certain amount of $ you  get a certain amount of time, or certain number of comments. That way they’re not just paying to have their instrument evaluated, which would of course involve lots of caveats, all of which are common sense, but it would also give an incentive to the people who are interested in making To participate in discussions and decide whether they wanted to remain. At the end of the introductory period, whatever that is, they can pay a certain amount As a one time lifetime fee, and never worry about it again, and if all they wanted was to have that one gramma’s violin evaluated, well then they can let the membership expire and everybody’s happy.

I bet there’s 10 request a week for a identification of this or that instrument. And frankly, I spent a lot of time here, even though I’ve learned nothing in 20 years, but I’d be willing to pay 20 or 30 bucks a year to keep this place going and not have to worry about all those lonely Russian women.

What a really awesomely revolting idea.  For this, and any other "paywall" ideas anyone has for MN. I can tell you where to, .........uhhhh...... put them.  :ph34r::P

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1 hour ago, Jeffrey Holmes said:

:) Any "program" involving fee per access or service requires maintenance and the ability to provide said service to the satisfaction of the purchaser.

Pay per initial use sounds like a snake pit to me.

So....  I'll be blunt.

If you do wish to pass this idea along please do so, however.  Who knows.  Might generate enough to drop some of the ads, but two things:

1) You might (will most likely) lose a moderator (keeping up with pay-per-use members expecting meaningful responses would quickly drive me away).  I'm sure my departure might not upset everyone, but 'd advise getting someone else qualified to moderate first or this board will be a vastly different place (you don't see what never makes it on the board).

2) I'm not so sure people will be hot on temporary memberships for evaluation in the first place.  Many of these inquiries come from owners who are too cheap to pay for a verbal opinion from a qualified local luthier... Not having access to a qualified luthier is different, but many of those individuals contact me, and I assume others, by email anyway.  I kind of doubt they'd want to pay for the entertainment here.

You will notice I rarely comment on "what is this" inquiry threads... Not trying to discourage others who wish too...  I'm just aware of the many caveats that can be involved without knowing exactly where that inquiry is coming from or from whom.

Subscription access for all might work.  Less screwing around.  If the admin. of this board is interested in going down that road, I'd imagine they'll want to check with existing members to see how that would really go over.

Or... we can just ignore the ads like we do on virtually every other website (facebook, etc.) that inserts them in our feed and carry on.

 

Jeffrey, I made the suggestion not knowing what the implementation would entail… Rather like some of our political figures, Ha ha ha(And that is the extent of my political commentary for the year) If it’s unworkable, that’s fine, I suppose I can get one of those ad blocking apps, but I’d prefer not to.

I certainly was not attempting to volunteer your services gratis for the foreseeable future.

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2 minutes ago, PhilipKT said:

Behind a paywall?

pay·wall
/ˈpāwôl/
noun
  1. (on a website) an arrangement whereby access is restricted to users who have paid to subscribe to the site.

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13 minutes ago, PhilipKT said:

Behind a paywall?

 

11 minutes ago, Jeffrey Holmes said:
pay·wall
/ˈpāwôl/
noun
 
  1. (on a website) an arrangement whereby access is restricted to users who have paid to subscribe to the site.

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19 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

A lot of people come here, say, “what is my instrument”, they get their reply, and they leave.

There are already websites that do specifically that.

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1 hour ago, Violadamore said:

 

coffeescreen.gif.090833256332ca7f39380d908bf71172.gif  Yaaaay Jeffrey!!  cheerleader.gif.464251fe20ce07cc6abcbad1131423c0.gif

No silly, I know what a pay wall is, I was making a joke in reference to you saying, “take this  suggestion and stick it blah blah blah blah…”

get it???

(Cricket cricket)

Gee, tough crowd tonight…

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1 hour ago, GeorgeH said:

There are already websites that do specifically that.

That do specifically what? Provide free ID?

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1 hour ago, PhilipKT said:

No silly, I know what a pay wall is, I was making a joke in reference to you saying, “take this  suggestion and stick it blah blah blah blah…”

get it???

(Cricket cricket)

Gee, tough crowd tonight…

Yup, I got it, and so, I'm sure, did Jeffrey.  He deadpanned you like a pro. That's what I was laughing and cheering about.  :lol:

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1 hour ago, Violadamore said:

Yup, I got it, and so, I'm sure, did Jeffrey.  He deadpanned you like a pro. That's what I was laughing and cheering about.  :lol:

Ah!

”hoist on me own petard”!

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On 11/6/2019 at 2:27 PM, vathek said:

 Ads have become ubiquitous no matter where you go on the internet. Even facebook videos stop after 10-15" to insert an ad. It's overkill. Like your island retreat has been invaded by hyenas.

 

The online media are, obviously, as far removed from "your island retreat" as possible.

It's not that hard to scroll past the ads.

Also, it helps to remember that the content of the ads usually reflects one's online behavior.

You have been browsing gun stores? You get gun ads.

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5 hours ago, Herman West said:

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You have been browsing gun stores? You get gun ads.

...and target ads! I like a variety of bullseye paper targets! :)

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Two ads I saw today were for women's clothing and removing house mold. Since I am not a cross dresser nor have a moldy home there is no relevance or association here. What I think we all should be wary of is becoming 'used to' these further intrusions. I do realize bills need to be paid so it may be a question of balance.

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