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Degani Giulio violin and Dodd bow

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I don't think I'd ever buy a violin or bow for a huge sum of money through an online auction without trying it out in person, but I came across this violin https://www.bishopandmillerauctions.co.uk/lot/musicnov2019/406 and what is supposedly a Dodd bow https://www.willinghamauctions.com/sales/specialist-sales/091119/lot/1143. It's hard to tell if the Degani Giulio violin is legit or not, and I wouldn't actually know even if I could see it in person, but considering it comes in a pretty solid looking case and not your average cheap old shaped case, I'd be willing to bet it's genuine, if anyone in the UK wants it. I'm also just wondering if it's possible to tell if it's a genuine Dodd bow or not because if it doesn't go above £200, I'd consider risking it as even if it's a fake, it can't be so terrible as to not even be worth £200.

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We have one well known dealer here in the UK who makes a practice of putting crappy violins into country auctions, always with a nice case, a couple of attractive (at a distance) bows, an old lump of rosin, a chinrest, some old gut strings etc. I don't suppose he's the only one either ...

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7 minutes ago, Jeffrey Holmes said:

I was just thinking, cause it looked like it was working, how easy that move would be to accomplish a higher price for crap.  

Where's my "like" button?

I will have to report you to the moderator:rolleyes:

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3 hours ago, martin swan said:

We have one well known dealer here in the UK who makes a practice of putting crappy violins into country auctions, always with a nice case, a couple of attractive (at a distance) bows, an old lump of rosin, a chinrest, some old gut strings etc. I don't suppose he's the only one either ...

Is that dealer in Surrey or London? Could you PM me who the dealer is, just to see if I've been to their shop before? 

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15 minutes ago, Aviol Inist said:

Ye... maybe not anymore

I can't say no treasure ever comes from these smaller auction venues... I know of a filius violin (it was actually listed correctly as I recall) that sold at a small house in Detroit and a Busan viola (not listed correctly) that sold at a country auction in California... but very few other real wonders.... and that's over decades of observing.  Both afore mentioned instruments were bought by someone who knew what they were looking at (one was bought by a member here).  I assume other finds that I may or may not know of have similar background stories.

 

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On 11/3/2019 at 6:40 PM, Aviol Inist said:

I don't think I'd ever buy a violin or bow for a huge sum of money through an online auction without trying it out in person, but I came across this violin https://www.bishopandmillerauctions.co.uk/lot/musicnov2019/406 and what is supposedly a Dodd bow https://www.willinghamauctions.com/sales/specialist-sales/091119/lot/1143. It's hard to tell if the Degani Giulio violin is legit or not, and I wouldn't actually know even if I could see it in person, but considering it comes in a pretty solid looking case and not your average cheap old shaped case, I'd be willing to bet it's genuine, if anyone in the UK wants it. I'm also just wondering if it's possible to tell if it's a genuine Dodd bow or not because if it doesn't go above £200, I'd consider risking it as even if it's a fake, it can't be so terrible as to not even be worth £200.

Obviously neither are what they purport to be.
For those who think that UK auctions outside of London are grounds for rich pickings, you will be sadly disappointed. These places are regularly mined by dealers here, either in person or by a representative. There is little chance of snaffling up a bargain, one person in particular seems to be everywhere.

You can of course buy the crap which they have placed in the auction.

Since prices for a Degani or Dodd bow can be easily looked up, it would make no sense to sell them at the local saleroom, when you could send them to a specialist auctioneer who would have a far greater chance of obtaining a good price, or better still consign them with a dealer.
 

 

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Regarding buying sight unseen, I agree completely that it is incredibly risky, but one of my prized Gillet bows was acquired from Tarisio without seeing in person. The pictures were great, the condition report said it was all original and there was nothing wrong with it, and I was familiar with the makers work, so I took the plunge.I got a great price, and a great bow, and I will never ever do it again, because that was my one winning lottery ticket. The Lord is going to go around blessing other folks now.

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