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I occasionally do violin work for the local boutique guitar shop, and they sent this nice old thing my way today. German Strad label, with what might be French polish over oil (if I had to make a guess). Where the varnish exhibits the most wear the crackle disappears. Overall good condition, needs a bit of a cleaning (duh) with some rib and center joint gluing in addition to a set-up. I'm curious as to what others might think of the origins of this violin (region, factory etc.) Pre-war Markie?

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Can you post a picture of the bottom rib and the front and back of the scroll? Also a picture of the entire back showing the button and profile pictures of the body and rib miters.

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1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said:

a late Neuner & Hornsteiner, Mittenwald

I'm not so sure. Could be also a Dölling or another better "Dutzend", based on the monogram at the label alone. Better Lowendalls f.i. had a similar varnish and scroll, so we need more informations here.

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2 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

Isn’t that crackling very common on Mirecourt violins? The color too, if the photos are accurate.

They don't tend to say "Made in Germany" ...

But no I wouldn't say this was particularly common on Mirecourt instruments.

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1 hour ago, martin swan said:

They don't tend to say "Made in Germany" ...

Most people in and outside Bavaria would say that this country doesn't really belong to Germany either B).

Prove for this was a statement by a politician after the last elections there. He said that the loss of votes for his (very conservative) christ-social party was due to the "many immigrated Germans".

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17 minutes ago, sospiri said:

Meaning it's never going to happen?

Means it was getting done since the medieval times. Full stop. Back stop. Or whatever.:)

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4 minutes ago, Blank face said:

Means it was getting done since the medieval times. Full stop. Back stop. Or whatever.:)

So our Brexit might still be almost, nearly happening in 1000 years?

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18 minutes ago, sospiri said:

So our Brexit might still be almost, nearly happening in 1000 years?

Maybe when all involved are lying dead in a ditch, or like Richard III under a parking lot?

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5 hours ago, martin swan said:

They don't tend to say "Made in Germany" ...

But no I wouldn't say this was particularly common on Mirecourt instruments.

I learned recently that many”France” Dupre bows imported into the US were actually made in Germany. The practice was stopped because its, you know, illegal, but that’s why I thought the instrument might possibly have french, despite the label. Thanks for the correction about the varnish.

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Looks like a rather nice Markie from the 1920/30s. The five part purfling was used by some makers there and then, too. I'll flick though my book when I have a minute...

The lower ribs look a bit wonky where they are separated from the back and may need shortening if they can't be manipulated into shape. The violin is possibly worth a fair bit of money (in Markie terms) and in my opinion deserves professional attention (which may be you, I don't know).

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21 minutes ago, Guido said:

Looks like a rather nice Markie from the 1920/30s. The five part purfling was used by some makers there and then, too. I'll flick though my book when I have a minute...

The lower ribs look a bit wonky where they are separated from the back and may need shortening if they can't be manipulated into shape. The violin is possibly worth a fair bit of money (in Markie terms) and in my opinion deserves professional attention (which may be you, I don't know).

I was guessing a conservative estimate in playable condition would be $3,000 USD, perhaps more depending on the shop offering it for sale, just my guess though. We'll see how much the owners are willing to invest in it. The ribs seemed to flex a fair bit when I opened up the back seams, we'll see how much work they'll necessitate. The lower top seam is opening a fair bit in the usual place, not sure if the owners would want to invest even more to go inside for clamping and cleating. It apparently belonged to a relative and they want me to bring it into playing condition for a youngster.

Hopefully not for a beginner...

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5 hours ago, Guido said:

Looks like a rather nice Markie from the 1920/30s. The five part purfling was used by some makers there and then, too. I'll flick though my book when I have a minute...

The lower ribs look a bit wonky where they are separated from the back and may need shortening if they can't be manipulated into shape.

I don't think that the purfling is enough to pin it down to a particular maker. This was produced by specialists and could be ordered by everybody. An earlier maker known for using it was Christian Wilhelm Seidel (died 1890), but this violin has nothing to do with him. Also unlikely that it was produced by a single person alone, rather a shop production in division of labour like it was common. Sometimes one can find a pencil inscription inside when opening it, what could at least indicate who made the box, but I won't open it just for this small possibility.

The "made in Germany" doesn't exclude that the parts were made in Schönbach (Austria or Czechoslowakia, depending of the period) and just assembled or sold by the Markneukircheners.

The rib isn't wonky, but the edge filed down by Paganini, as we learned before by our actual BS specialist, you know?;):ph34r:

 

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