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Who made this violin?

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I am collecting opinions on this instrument. For now I won't say what is written on the label. It displays clearly features of the maker, but there are some points which puzzle me.

Length of back 358 over the arch

170-115.5-209 (over the arch)

blocks spruce

linings maybe Willow

one piece lower rib

rib joints at the corners in the center most likely from the use of an outside mould.

purfling: quite narrow around 1mm, couldn't really identify the wood. The white strip could be maple.

the varnish looks like pure shellack directly applied on the ground, I didn't examine it under the black light though.

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10 hours ago, Andreas Preuss said:

I am collecting opinions on this instrument.

The matching on the back: Wow that's nice. And your photographs and your camera are superb.

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10 minutes ago, sospiri said:

The matching on the back: Wow that's nice. And your photographs and your camera are superb.

Good violin photography doesn't need a good camera, it needs good lightning The 'camera' was my cell phone with a free hand shot. 

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20 minutes ago, Andreas Preuss said:

Good violin photography doesn't need a good camera, it needs good lightning The 'camera' was my cell phone with a free hand shot. 

Cell phone cameras are getting better every year. Look at the detail in your photos compared to a what cameras could do a few years ago.

Yes the lighting issue.... so many sellers just don't know how to take a good photo do they?

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It gives me a good feeling when I look at it even though I do not have a clue what it is :)

How does one distingush between Italian and French outside mold construction ?

Willow points to Italian but shellac is more French ?

Does the 358mm back length point more to French ? 

Its nice.

Its one for Martin Swan,  he  will kmow what it is or isn't.

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4 hours ago, Delabo said:

 

Its one for Martin Swan,  he  will kmow what it is or isn't.

afraid not

the model seems very Scarampella-ish and for that reason I wouldn’t be collecting opinions but simply asking Eric Blot or Dmitry Gindin if they would certify it as anything ... 

this is a very specialist field and I am out of my depth very quickly with this sort of thing 

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Well the varnish and the button look very Thorsten Theis but I am not familiar enough with C20 Italian work to say for sure ...

But I don’t get a good feeling and I would not look twice if it was in an auction.

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Not really Degani-ish, but as Martin said, a Scarampella inspired Gadda-style instrument, which can only be "something" if Blot or Gindin write a certificate for it. I'm surprised it doesn't have the usual brand marks, though from the glimpse of the label visible it seems to have a Gaetano Gadda label. I understand that Gaetano signed his work himself, so if a look inside with an endoscope hasn't turned up his signature, the multiple brands are not present, and the workmanship seems to recall Scarampella-ish elements more than Gadda-ish ones as this one does, I think we're looking at something else entirely.

Something about this violin reminds me of a violin which Gindin told me might be by Oreste Martini done in the Scarampella/Gadda style. Just for kicks, I should mention that Andre Levi thought that same violin might be the work of Sgarabotto working in the Scarampella style. Scarampella did have a distribution agreement with foreign outlets, especially in the USA, so it seems that a lot of Scarampella style violins were produced in many shops. The Guastallas did alot of them as well.

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Damn I didn’t see the label ...

Very interesting post Michael - I don’t like this for Gaetano Gadda. Sgarabotto was without a trickster of the first order, but I just find this violin a bit new-looking to be his.

 

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IMHO, someone who needed the money.  If someone could connect it to that American importer (whose name currently escapes me), who is recorded in a thread here somewhere as scrounging rubbish in Italy after WW II, I'd not be surprised. 

The near impossibility of attributing something of this nature without some reliable documentation is why I ignore offerings like this.  From where I sit, it could be anything from modern bush-league Italian to modern rural British, to a bad day at the Skylark factory.  :)  :lol:

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8 hours ago, Michael Appleman said:

Not really Degani-ish, but as Martin said, a Scarampella inspired Gadda-style instrument, which can only be "something" if Blot or Gindin write a certificate for it. I'm surprised it doesn't have the usual brand marks, though from the glimpse of the label visible it seems to have a Gaetano Gadda label. I understand that Gaetano signed his work himself, so if a look inside with an endoscope hasn't turned up his signature, the multiple brands are not present, and the workmanship seems to recall Scarampella-ish elements more than Gadda-ish ones as this one does, I think we're looking at something else entirely.

Something about this violin reminds me of a violin which Gindin told me might be by Oreste Martini done in the Scarampella/Gadda style. Just for kicks, I should mention that Andre Levi thought that same violin might be the work of Sgarabotto working in the Scarampella style. Scarampella did have a distribution agreement with foreign outlets, especially in the USA, so it seems that a lot of Scarampella style violins were produced in many shops. The Guastallas did alot of them as well.

Well it has one of those Gaetano Gadda labels. No matter how I looked on it I coudn't think it was made by Gaetano Gadda and neither Mario Gadda.

Sgarabotto to my knowledge always used on all his copy his own and very characteristic flimsy thin purfling which is set in a somehow too wide channel. So I would rule this out.

Oreste Martini, if he made Gadda copies, is something which should be followed up.

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On 9/24/2019 at 4:01 AM, martin swan said:

Well the varnish and the button look very Thorsten Theis but I am not familiar enough with C20 Italian work to say for sure ...

But I don’t get a good feeling and I would not look twice if it was in an auction.

Thorsten Theis? First time I hear this name. He is a living maker in Italy making copies? At least I can say that the varnish doesn't smell new to me.

I got the instrument from a Japanese customer for examination. Besides do you now if Simonazzi made Gadda copies?

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5 hours ago, Andreas Preuss said:

Thorsten Theis? First time I hear this name. He is a living maker in Italy making copies?

Martin is referring to a dark chapter of German Ebay. I can see his point, too.

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