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35 minutes ago, ClefLover said:

The other questions make sense to me, but what might this question indicate?

There are different ways to set the neck. 19th French makers for example set the neck to the center line of the top but gave the neck root a slight tilt to elevate the E string side. as a result the position of the button would shift a pinch to the treble (left) side.

(photo taken from 'Les tresors de la Lutherie, p49, violin by J.B. Vuillaume)

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34 minutes ago, ClefLover said:

The other questions make sense to me, but what might this question indicate?

Actually, another question would be at which precision the joint of the back is in the center. Makers in the Voigtland region used a method where it falls with basically zero tolerance in the center. On French fiddles there is often enough a difference of up to 0.5mm measuring left and right.

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Could be well something older being stripped to the ground and revarnished at some point. There are remains of a dark varnish visible at a very few points, bridge region, corners or inner scroll windings for example. If the scoll is grafted the button was probably reshaped, so this feature doesn't tell much in the actual state.

Not sure about Thir, I would expect the ribs to be higher. A bit odd that the edges are so well preserved, so I would rather assume a 19th century origin.

As was written before, we would need more informations reg. inside work (form of the corner blocks, linings morticed and which wood), a view of the end pin rib region and front/rear view of the scroll, close up of the rib corners. LOB and rib height.

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1 hour ago, Blank face said:

 

As was written before, we would need more informations reg. inside work (form of the corner blocks, linings morticed and which wood), a view of the end pin rib region and front/rear view of the scroll, close up of the rib corners. LOB and rib height.

Also if the back joint is reinforced with a strip of paper (or parchment), how far apart (in mm) are the two upper lobes of the ff, rib height (in mm). if the two flutes of the scroll merge into one by the throat?

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Maybe I'm a bit paranoid about revarnishing due to the lots of discussions;). There are some stains of a brown colour in front of the bridge, the upper and inner scroll windings and at the purfling tips of the belly. But could be some dirt also, hard to tell. Agree with rather 19th than 18th century.

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I suppose for me the question would be whether the original varnish was stripped or washed off, in which case an instrument would be described as revarnished. "Over-varnished" and "heavily retouched" have slightly different meanings ...

It's possible that this varnish has simply lost a lot of colour, in which case you might describe it as "washed out" ...

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2 hours ago, Andreas Preuss said:

A Thir with so long f-holes? Can't remember that any member of the family made such long f-holes. From the top of my head I'd rather think in the direction of Sebastian Dalinger. 

Johann Georg Thir

(varnish probably not original ....)

Not saying there's much similarity, just discussing f-hole length.

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There seems to be something funny with the photography in that what seems to be wrong is the overly shiny reflective sheen, but what's making me go "hmm" is that the fingerboard is beaming "wet" looking too as if it was slathered in some type of polishing oil prior to the photo being taken. I just find it odd that the fingerboard seems as wet and reflective as the body where the light is hitting it.

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2 hours ago, jezzupe said:

There seems to be something funny with the photography in that what seems to be wrong is the overly shiny reflective sheen, but what's making me go "hmm" is that the fingerboard is beaming "wet" looking too as if it was slathered in some type of polishing oil prior to the photo being taken. I just find it odd that the fingerboard seems as wet and reflective as the body where the light is hitting it.

It is possible that the owner of the violin did something to the violin before his daughter acquired it, but I promise that the photograph was taken in her living room and we didn’t do anything special to it.

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