The Bows They Played

[A432]

The ultimate trivial pursuit resource and an awesome compendium !

http://www.filimonovfineviolins.com/Filimonov_Fine_Violins/L.html

[Pate Bliss]

If I was in the Seattle Phil I'd kick back in my spare time.  Or maybe work my way to Chicago.  Or Berlin.

[Herman West]

I'm a little surprised by entire string quartets playing on bows by identical makers. I guess there's some kind of quid pro quo there, but I'd feel uncomfortable about that. The Alexander String Quartet playing CF bows, all four of them? (Maybe they're just saying they play these bows.)

With soloists F.X. Tourte is the clear winner, it seems.

[Michael Appleman]

Hey Gennady, this list is neat!  You could add Ludwig Spohr as a Tourte owner. He mentions his bows in his memoires. Also for Isaac Stern, one of his favourite bows was an Henry that got broken in a recital, but that he continued to use after it was repaired.

[martin swan]

Very interesting to see the number of Tubbs bows sneaking into this list ...

Iona Brown used an FX Tourte throughout her career. 

We have recently sold Persoit bows to two people who merit an appearance on this list, and it seems to me that Persoit is the hot name right now

[PhilipKT]

4 hours ago, martin swan said:

Very interesting to see the number of Tubbs bows sneaking into this list ...

Iona Brown used an FX Tourte throughout her career. 

We have recently sold Persoit bows to two people who merit an appearance on this list, and it seems to me that Persoit is the hot name right now

Paul Childs said that Persoit and D Peccatte were his favorite makers.

[PhilipKT]

So Truls Mork plays a “Vuiluame”?

given that so many great Bowmakers worked for Vuilluame, does this name merely means that the writer doesn’t know more, or did Vuilluame himself actually make the occasional bow?

[duane88]

On 6/13/2019 at 11:30 PM, Bill Merkel said:

If I was in the Seattle Phil I'd kick back in my spare time.  Or maybe work my way to Chicago.  Or Berlin.

Seattle Symphony. Seattle Phil:http://seattlephil.org/ Is a different organization.

Gennady has a great collection.

[Pate Bliss]

4 hours ago, duane88 said:

Seattle Symphony. Seattle Phil:http://seattlephil.org/ Is a different organization.

You know how to tell which of the two is oldest, without looking them up?

[MarkBouquet]

The Alexander Quartet has been an endorser of Arcus carbon fiber bows for many years. I had the opportunity to see/hear them perform about two years ago, and sitting about fifteen feet away, I could clearly see that they were all using Arcus bows without exception.

[duane88]

3 hours ago, Bill Merkel said:

You know how to tell which of the two is oldest, without looking them up?

Seattle Symphony 1903, Seattle Phil 1944.

[Pate Bliss]

I can personally only verify the order.

[devaraja42]

I see that this list was last updated in 2011, but anyway - it is worth noting that David Oistrakh, Gregor Piatigorsky, and Lillian Fuchs also owned very fine Dodd bows (I think the ex-Fuchs Dodd bow showed up in a Tarisio auction a few years ago); Josef Gingold had at least a few Bazin family bows, and Sidney Harth apparently commissioned two Tourte copies from Henryk Kaston, which are now owned by an ex-student of his. In addition, Robert deMaine, Clive Greensmith, and Gil Shaham are all using Tourte bows these days, and Augustin Hadelich is using a Pierre Simon with a grafted head.

[GennadyF.]

wow, I had no idea you guys were discussing my list.

I created that list using an Apple app which does not exist anymore. So I'm not able to update it. But working on redoing my site, so at some point it will get done. And I am busy these days writing new research about other things. 

One of my recent articles was regarding E. Sartory and his court battles against Trademark infringement in Feb. 2019 STRAD issue.

I have an upcoming article regarding Napoleonic Bows followed by part discussing  proliferation of the Tourte bow. And finishing up new research on Nikolai KITTEL.

 

BTW, my friend Clive Greensmith  is  also using bows by Jean-Luc Tauziede and Sylvain Bigot (when he is not playing the Tourte). I believe Robert DeMain also has a KITTEL.

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by GennadyF.

[filimonovfineviolins]

wow, I had no idea you guys were discussing my list.

I created that list using an Apple app which does not exist anymore. So I'm not able to update it. But working on redoing my site, so at some point it will get done. And I am busy these days writing new research about other things. 

One of my recent articles was regarding E. Sartory and his court battles against Trademark infringement in Feb. 2019 STRAD issue.

I have an upcoming article regarding Napoleonic Bows followed by part 2 discussing  proliferation of the Tourte bow. And finishing up new research on Nikolai KITTEL.

 

BTW, my friend Clive Greensmith  is  also using bows by Jean-Luc Tauziede and Sylvain Bigot (when he is not playing the Tourte). I believe Robert DeMain also has a KITTEL.

[PhilipKT]

31 minutes ago, filimonovfineviolins said:

wow, I had no idea you guys were discussing my list.

I created that list using an Apple app which does not exist anymore. So I'm not able to update it. But working on redoing my site, so at some point it will get done. And I am busy these days writing new research about other things. 

One of my recent articles was regarding E. Sartory and his court battles against Trademark infringement in Feb. 2019 STRAD issue.

I have an upcoming article regarding Napoleonic Bows followed by part 2 discussing  proliferation of the Tourte bow. And finishing up new research on Nikolai KITTEL.

 

BTW, my friend Clive Greensmith  is  also using bows by Jean-Luc Tauziede and Sylvain Bigot (when he is not playing the Tourte). I believe Robert DeMain also has a KITTEL.

Can you share links to your articles?

[jacobsaunders]

On ‎6‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 2:00 AM, devaraja42 said:

 it is worth noting that David Oistrakh, Gregor Piatigorsky, and Lillian Fuchs also owned very fine Dodd bows

Valery Oistrach told me when we met some years ago, that his grand father used his Nürnberger bow exclusively throughout his career. He showed it to me, since he uses it himself. I was told (can’t remember by whom now) that Anne-Sophie Mutter uses a Dölling bow (and Dominant strings), so I wonder if this list has more than anecdotal significance. Sources of any information certainly aren’t given.

[filimonovfineviolins]

2 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

Can you share links to your articles?

My Sartory article is in February 2019 issue of STRAD. You can try STRAD magazine online.  Other articles can be found on Tarisio Carteggio Section:

New Research on Gulio Degani, Jago Peternella and Roger Nestor Chittolini.

[filimonovfineviolins]

11 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

Valery Oistrach told me when we met some years ago, that his grand father used his Nürnberger bow exclusively throughout his career. He showed it to me, since he uses it himself. I was told (can’t remember by whom now) that Anne-Sophie Mutter uses a Dölling bow (and Dominant strings), so I wonder if this list has more than anecdotal significance. Sources of any information certainly aren’t given.

Yes David Oistrakh used a Nurnberger, but later (around 1956) his son Igor brought back a fabulous A. Richaume for his father, and gifted that to him.

Last time Anne Sophie Mutter played with us, about a year ago, she showed me her Benoit Rolland bow which she said she enjoys very much.

[filimonovfineviolins]

And btw, I am a member of the Seattle Symphony Orchestra not that other one mentioned.

Off topic, anyone looking for a Victor Fetique frog & button (ebony/silver)?

[Violadamore]

10 hours ago, filimonovfineviolins said:

And btw, I am a member of the Seattle Symphony Orchestra not that other one mentioned.

Off topic, anyone looking for a Victor Fetique frog & button (ebony/silver)?

Thank you a great deal both for posting so much so well on your website, and for coming here to talk about it.

[filimonovfineviolins]

On 6/14/2019 at 12:18 AM, Michael Appleman said:

Hey Gennady, this list is neat!  You could add Ludwig Spohr as a Tourte owner. He mentions his bows in his memoires. Also for Isaac Stern, one of his favourite bows was an Henry that got broken in a recital, but that he continued to use after it was repaired.

Hey Michael,

Thanks! As I remember, Spohr is definitely on my list as a Tourte player. For some reason, at some point, the app scrambled the order, so it's out of alphabetical order.

My new research on the proliferation of the Tourte bow mentions all Viotti exponents (direct and indirect exponents). I just submitted to STRAD. We'll see which issue they decide to publish it in. But it will be as Part 2 to Napoleonic Bows.

[filimonovfineviolins]

16 minutes ago, Violadamore said:

Thank you a great deal both for posting so much so well on your website, and for coming here to talk about it.

Thank you Violadamore!

 

[scordatura]

I have also heard from a reliable source that Perlman owns/uses a Voirin.

[filimonovfineviolins]

1 hour ago, scordatura said:

I have also heard from a reliable source that Perlman owns/uses a Voirin.

I think your source meant Pinchas Zukerman used a Voirin (at one time). Itzhak has used many nice old bows in the past, but for many years now he has been using a 65g bow by Howard Green (English maker). Perlman also introduced Green's bows to Gringoltz. I  also know that in 1959, Perlman bought a Hill bow for $125.