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I am NOT a store. I am selling everything due to health problems. I bought a limited amount of things hoping to open a hobby repair shop in my home and maybe learn how to build a violin. Includes wood (from International Violin & Simeon Chambers), tools, books, plans, some STRAD magazines, tailpieces, strings, bridges, and  more. Most of these things, especially the tools have never been used. Email me for a list of what I have. Selling in lots not individual items at less than half price of purchases. I have, also, taken a limited amount of photos. I can only do my email a few times a week. Shipping is extra. I am in North Carolina near Asheville. 

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I would be really sorry to profit off of your ill health. Also sad to see that this is your first post here. But I'm sure many will help you unload your tools and supplies. Bargains in such a specialist field are hard to find. So, what is your best email address? If you prefer private messaging here that is fine too.

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I have more than I need, but always ready to buy more of the stuff that I don't actually need. A public list of goodies and prices will probably be all that it takes to liquidate items. I sincerely hope that your health will eventually improve.

cheers,
wm_crash, the friendly hooligan

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9 hours ago, BetC said:

I am NOT a store. I am selling everything due to health problems. I bought a limited amount of things hoping to open a hobby repair shop in my home and maybe learn how to build a violin. Includes wood (from International Violin & Simeon Chambers), tools, books, plans, some STRAD magazines, tailpieces, strings, bridges, and  more. Most of these things, especially the tools have never been used. Email me for a list of what I have. Selling in lots not individual items at less than half price of purchases. I have, also, taken a limited amount of photos. I can only do my email a few times a week. Shipping is extra. I am in North Carolina near Asheville. 

I'm sorry to hear about your health problems.  I would be very interested in your tool kit - as I am working to learn instrument-making myself.  What's the best email address for you?

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Hey, hooligan,

If you know you have much more than "enough" why not refrain from buying from this one sale? I know why not. 50% off...obviously the situation is terrible but...50%, yeah! We seem to be thinking the same thing there. But that'd be delightfully magnanimous of you and others with your mindset if you didn't have to swoop up every single lot here just because you can. Some people still need tools, posters, books, wood, setup supplies, etc., and have gone without for years and years. It's probably hard to imagine, but yes. Sounds as though it's a joke to you, to accumulate supplies far beyond your need...and why, just so someone who does need them can't have them? I mean, that's what it sounds like to me.

I'm not only thinking of myself here, although I am thinking of myself. There are plenty of makers on these forums still in school, scraping by, doing the maximum with the minimum...etc. I'm a bit sensitive maybe.

"Cheers", 

not telling

 

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11 hours ago, not telling said:

Hey, hooligan,

If you know you have much more than "enough" why not refrain from buying from this one sale? I know why not. 50% off...obviously the situation is terrible but...50%, yeah! We seem to be thinking the same thing there. But that'd be delightfully magnanimous of you and others with your mindset if you didn't have to swoop up every single lot here just because you can. Some people still need tools, posters, books, wood, setup supplies, etc., and have gone without for years and years. It's probably hard to imagine, but yes. Sounds as though it's a joke to you, to accumulate supplies far beyond your need...and why, just so someone who does need them can't have them? I mean, that's what it sounds like to me.

I'm not only thinking of myself here, although I am thinking of myself. There are plenty of makers on these forums still in school, scraping by, doing the maximum with the minimum...etc. I'm a bit sensitive maybe.

"Cheers", 

not telling

 

So it can be resold for a profit?

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Oof...  

Well then, assuming this sale is happening at 40% of retail, if it were possible to immediately turn around and sell these items at 80% of retail the next day, would that also violate your sense of fair play? I'd be fine with it if OP was just trying to help out strangers. 

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5 hours ago, not telling said:

Oof...  

Well then, assuming this sale is happening at 40% of retail, if it were possible to immediately turn around and sell these items at 80% of retail the next day, would that also violate your sense of fair play? I'd be fine with it if OP was just trying to help out strangers. 

That was just my, albeit pessimistic, initial assumption. But I could be completely mistaken. 

Personally, I know the struggles of starting up/going without. Good tools really are an investment. Invaluable, but will for sure benefit the person just starting out.

OP, if you're still active, do you have an email at which you can be reached?

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20 hours ago, not telling said:

Hey, hooligan,

If you know you have much more than "enough" why not refrain from buying from this one sale? I know why not. 50% off...obviously the situation is terrible but...50%, yeah! We seem to be thinking the same thing there. But that'd be delightfully magnanimous of you and others with your mindset if you didn't have to swoop up every single lot here just because you can. Some people still need tools, posters, books, wood, setup supplies, etc., and have gone without for years and years. It's probably hard to imagine, but yes. Sounds as though it's a joke to you, to accumulate supplies far beyond your need...and why, just so someone who does need them can't have them? I mean, that's what it sounds like to me.

I'm not only thinking of myself here, although I am thinking of myself. There are plenty of makers on these forums still in school, scraping by, doing the maximum with the minimum...etc. I'm a bit sensitive maybe.

"Cheers", 

not telling

 

8 hours ago, Nick Allen said:

So it can be resold for a profit?

You guys are taking my post the wrong way. I don't wish anyone be in a position where health dictates liquidation of goods. All I did was admit that I have a general weakness for acquiring tools. I wouldn't rush to cut in front of anyone who actually needed them. The suggestion to list the items in this thread was simply a suggestion to help with the sale, and ironically, a hope that the seller doesn't get screwed on prices in private deals. I didn't make a request for the list to be sent to me alone, I would have sent a private message if that was it.

And despite having a sufficiently well stocked woodworking shop, I still find myself going to flea markets, and to Woodcraft, and still click on Rockler's emails, and still order from International Violin when they have sales, and I did buy some wood from Simeon when he was going out of business, and I still look on eBay, you get the picture. None of this is screwing people over. Some people smoke, some drink, some gamble. I like tools. I like to see them made, sold, bought, restored, used, etc.

As far as folks needing and not having, I've been there myself and I know quite well what it's like. I take no joy in screwing needy people out of a good deal.

That being said, I would like to reiterate that tools are fun.

cheers,
wm_crash, the friendly hooligan

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I know I over-reacted and I'm sure everyone here likes to look at and acquire great tools, tools that could be great, supplies that may or may not be needed this decade.  It wasn't you, it's all of the sweet shops that get posted. Tools up to the ceiling.  Everyone who can collect more and more and more of everything.  If I'm being honest I don't even know how anyone gets there, on their own, and that's the worst. Yes. Tools are totally fun! I would never stop trying to be resourceful, no matter how things go. It's awesome to save money no matter what.

And hell...I am not sure we could afford anything this week anyway. The Weisshaar book at 20% of retail, we'd have to THINK about that. It's nothing you said, wm. 

I'm feeling like this situation OP is in is so, so horrible, without OP going into detail, you know it is... and I'm even feeling bad about being first to respond to the thread. I just feel gross. Brain bleach required kind of gross. Let's say OP had the Weisshaar book for $100. Would it be wrong to buy it? Probably. Would I? I would think about it, tell my kid that he will get his summer Keens in July, disenroll him from the day camp he's not that enthused about anyway, tell OP he's doing us a real solid, and buy it.  Everyone would buy it. Even if you have three copies already, there's always a justification to have more, and it would make sense to have four Weisshaar books if you own a shop.  I doubt there's a Weisshaar book involved. Just an example.

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I digress, but I might as well while we all wait for the list of goodies

I frequent quite a few forums, I am not sure why I also come here because my plans to start work on an instrument are at least a year away at this time (I was hoping 2019 would be it, but I don't want to lie to myself). But on the other forums closer to what I do now (aquariums, drumming, woodworking, some machinist work), nobody is really a working professional in the field of the forum. It's hobby people who need a way to connect, while professionals are too busy cranking out product to do the online thing. It seems that this forum is a bit different, and a lot of people make a living off lutherie. It also seems that not all the luthier shops in the world are fully tooled and supplied, which is another surprise for me.

Alright, what's on your wish/need list? If I have something I can spare, I will. 

cheers,
wm_crash, the friendly hooligan

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Don't do that. That's really, really nice, but don't. That's even worse, that you're such a friendly hooligan. I was trying to explain a minutiae of the vast variety of factors that made me react in such a rude way--I guess, feeling like some people especially "need" a sale like this--and then being upset that I need a sale like this (of course I wouldn't feel good about that)--that said, there really is no excuse or reason for my anger coming out in that way, sniping at people over nothing. No one deserves bargains on this stuff more than anyone else. Anyone could make a case for needing something else. Everyone collects tools and information...some more effectively and with more resources than others. That's the situation. It's not an easy trade to get into. Money helps, though. Then fully tooled and supplied is easy and fun.

Obviously the reasons for the sale are really sad, so it's complicating my feeling about whether I should be the someone to jump on it. Someone will. Why not me? 

If this sale is even real, and cross your fingers there, or don't if it feels wrong to hope for this to be real, finders keepers is law on these lots. I'd be surprised if 50 people didn't message OP for the lot list.

I think it's possible to do everything with anything. There wasn't A2 or Japanese blue steel in Cremona. But these are modern choices that are available, and an advantage. It's more a matter of collecting higher quality tools that make things easier and faster without sacrificing anything important...and supplies that teach both the buyer and the maker how to see...rather than not fully tooled and supplied. At least that's how I see it, in my situation. As far as how far into "professional" luthiers can get without professional money flowing in, I don't know yet. Ultimately "fully tooled and supplied" is required.

 

 

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Hi BetC,

I'm sorry to hear about your decline in health, and I hope you get well soon. I am just starting to learn to build violins. I'm in Statesville, NC and I own no violin making tools.  I'd like to be able to drive to meet you to have a look and buy some or all of what you are offering.  I have no interest in reselling. I would be using the tools to support my hobby.

Thank you for your consideration.

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