reg Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Hello all What do the gurus think as to this offering? Does the price of £8K with shipping seem reasonable https://reverb.com/item/16618144-ernst-heinrich-roth-stradivarius-copy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oistrakh93 Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 I think this explains it: https://www.ebay.com/itm/German-Labeled-Violin-Ernst-Heinrich-Roth-4-4-violon-geige-violino-/202655302424?hash=item2f2f328318%3Ag%3A9P0AAOSwAKxcpruD&nma=true&si=2BWj8QaL8d7NtA7mkwi1aYCqPyM%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 It seems like a pretty standard retail price, assuming it comes with the usual dealer guarantees, is from the 1920s, and is under 36cm ... I can't read the label and it looks a bit later, in which case the price might be pushing it a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted May 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Same violin at $1450 and £8K?? Looks identical!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 As @martin swan mentioned in a previous thread, there are counterfeit Roths being created and sold. For example, there is an eBay seller that has a convincing Roth branding iron and is selling obviously fake Roth violins using the fake Roth brand and labels. Some may be less obvious. Buyer beware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, reg said: Same violin at $1450 and £8K?? Looks identical!! Maybe the seller had it on Ebay and then surprise surprise discovered it was genuine ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deans Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 With $10K in hand you would have your choice among dozens of 1920s Roths that are currently in brick and mortar shops. Or you could find one at an auction, seems to be one or more up at every major auction these days, I'm pretty sure Tarisio has one or two right now. Perhaps there are less where you live, but in general that are not uncommon, and if you want one it should be easy to look at 5-6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violinnewb Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Label says 1718 model. My limited understanding is that the later the model copied, the better quality. This particular model seems to be an IVR model, meaning bottom grade product. I bought mine for CONSIDERABLY cheaper and it is an IXR. ONLY reason I even bought it was because it played extremely well and sounded great. I think that a buyer with patience could do much better than this particular instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violinnewb Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 Also, to my untrained eye, the f-holes look more like Guarneri f-holes...perhaps the pros can chime in? Anyways, its pretty and if it sounds good, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted May 13, 2019 Report Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 hours ago, reg said: Same violin at $1450 and £8K?? Looks identical!! For the record, the Reverb violin looks like a genuine Roth and the eBay violin does not. They are most certainly not the same violin. 1 hour ago, violinnewb said: Also, to my untrained eye, the f-holes look more like Guarneri f-holes... Compare it with some pictures of Roth Guarneri models and you will see the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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