baroquecello Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Recently I had a conversation with a fellow cellist and the Topic of neck reset came up. It turmed out, the other Player had a very different understanding of what the famed "new York neck reset" (I'm not even sure that is the way to call it correctly.) is, than I did. So I'm hoping to improve my undestanding of it. Can anyone comment on what this entails and why it is done, especially on Cellos (but info on violins is great too!). Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendicus Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Is that it? https://trianglestrings.com/raisingtheprojection/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan slobodkin Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 The "New York neck set" means loosening the top of the fiddle usually from the upper corners all the way around including the upper block area then pushing the neck backward which increases the pitch and raises the FB height at the bridge end . A shim is put in between the neck root and the mortised area of the top where the neck goes in and then the top is reglued holding the neck in it's new position. The top edge gets smaller in the upper bouts so this can only be done if the edge margin is large enough to allow for solid regluing. This is also referred to as raising the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 I’ve always wondered what this has to do with New York, is that somewhere dangerous where you are in danger of having your neck slit open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan slobodkin Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: I’ve always wondered what this has to do with New York, is that somewhere dangerous where you are in danger of having your neck slit open? I think Rene Morel kind of took credit for making this an accepted practice although I am sure it was used in other places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASEWICZ Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, mendicus said: Is that it? https://trianglestrings.com/raisingtheprojection/ Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sospiri Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, nathan slobodkin said: The "New York neck set" means loosening the top of the fiddle usually from the upper corners all the way around including the upper block area then pushing the neck backward which increases the pitch and raises the FB height at the bridge end . A shim is put in between the neck root and the mortised area of the top where the neck goes in and then the top is reglued holding the neck in it's new position. The top edge gets smaller in the upper bouts so this can only be done if the edge margin is large enough to allow for solid regluing. This is also referred to as raising the pitch. Nathan, what is too low and what is too high in projection in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Sounds like this would lead to New York button grafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Coleman Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: Sounds like this would lead to New York button grafts. It doesn't though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASEWICZ Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Thomas Coleman said: It doesn't though. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Coleman Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think you're agreeing, right Jerry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASEWICZ Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Just now, Thomas Coleman said: I think you're agreeing, right Jerry? Yes sir. I have never seen that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, Thomas Coleman said: It doesn't though. Good to know. Still, it is curious to me how many violins have had broken buttons repaired without any other visible signs of trauma. Are the shims visible after a "New York neck set?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Yes, the shim is visible if you look under the fingerboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASEWICZ Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 49 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: Good to know. Still, it is curious to me how many violins have had broken buttons repaired without any other visible signs of trauma. Unfortunately necks are not always set as well as they could be. Counting on the button to hold the neck in, and being slipshod with the set under that justification, I suspect is the reason for most broken buttons. Also, for the button to break off during a raise projection, the neck would have to be loose from the block, which is also a problem with the neck set. Obviously in that situation the neck would need to be re-set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perret Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 hours ago, GeorgeH said: Good to know. Still, it is curious to me how many violins have had broken buttons repaired without any other visible signs of trauma. Are the shims visible after a "New York neck set?" See topic "Bellosio Decapitation". Happens not too infrequently, and as Jerry said; "necks are not always set as well as they could be." I've personally never seen a broken button that could be directly traced to raising the neck angle this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Thanks, @Jerry Pasewicz and @Philip Perret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Victor Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Ifshin Violins did a New York neck reset for me 14 years ago after I bought a new cello from them. First they lowered the bridge* for me before I first took it home. The next week they lowered it a bit more. The following week, when I requested further lowering they refused and did the neck reset while I wandered around Berkeley for a few hours and had lunch before taking it home again. It has worked out fine for me even though it still has higher "action" than either of my other cellos. * I was used to a lower bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Smith Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 new york neck reset, what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Merkel Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 The guy in the red shirt is as good as dead. No way to get out of that if the other guy's any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Allen Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, Bill Merkel said: The guy in the red shirt is as good as dead. No way to get out of that if the other guy's any good. Unless the guy in red has a knife with which to murder the guy choking him. Saw a guy get stabbed in the face the other day during a fist fight. Anything can happen in the streets, just like anything can happen in lutherie lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Merkel Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Ha ha, well, he better get to stabbin because he doesn't have long... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, Bill Merkel said: The guy in the red shirt is as good as dead. No way to get out of that if the other guy's any good. "...........Sorry I'm late, there was some unpleasantness on the subway. Fellow committed suicide with a rattail comb, but nobody saw anything. Probably drugs. Thank you soooo much for inviting me, I just love the opera, especially Tosca...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Merkel Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 If nobody saw it, at least it can't be repeated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeH Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 This thread deteriorated rapidly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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