baroquecello Report post Posted April 10 Recently I had a conversation with a fellow cellist and the Topic of neck reset came up. It turmed out, the other Player had a very different understanding of what the famed "new York neck reset" (I'm not even sure that is the way to call it correctly.) is, than I did. So I'm hoping to improve my undestanding of it. Can anyone comment on what this entails and why it is done, especially on Cellos (but info on violins is great too!). Thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mendicus Report post Posted April 10 Is that it? https://trianglestrings.com/raisingtheprojection/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathan slobodkin Report post Posted April 10 The "New York neck set" means loosening the top of the fiddle usually from the upper corners all the way around including the upper block area then pushing the neck backward which increases the pitch and raises the FB height at the bridge end . A shim is put in between the neck root and the mortised area of the top where the neck goes in and then the top is reglued holding the neck in it's new position. The top edge gets smaller in the upper bouts so this can only be done if the edge margin is large enough to allow for solid regluing. This is also referred to as raising the pitch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jacobsaunders Report post Posted April 10 I’ve always wondered what this has to do with New York, is that somewhere dangerous where you are in danger of having your neck slit open? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathan slobodkin Report post Posted April 10 4 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said: I’ve always wondered what this has to do with New York, is that somewhere dangerous where you are in danger of having your neck slit open? I think Rene Morel kind of took credit for making this an accepted practice although I am sure it was used in other places. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerry Pasewicz Report post Posted April 10 29 minutes ago, mendicus said: Is that it? https://trianglestrings.com/raisingtheprojection/ Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sospiri Report post Posted April 10 36 minutes ago, nathan slobodkin said: The "New York neck set" means loosening the top of the fiddle usually from the upper corners all the way around including the upper block area then pushing the neck backward which increases the pitch and raises the FB height at the bridge end . A shim is put in between the neck root and the mortised area of the top where the neck goes in and then the top is reglued holding the neck in it's new position. The top edge gets smaller in the upper bouts so this can only be done if the edge margin is large enough to allow for solid regluing. This is also referred to as raising the pitch. Nathan, what is too low and what is too high in projection in your opinion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeH Report post Posted April 10 Sounds like this would lead to New York button grafts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomas Coleman Report post Posted April 10 29 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: Sounds like this would lead to New York button grafts. It doesn't though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerry Pasewicz Report post Posted April 10 1 minute ago, Thomas Coleman said: It doesn't though. Nope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomas Coleman Report post Posted April 10 I think you're agreeing, right Jerry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerry Pasewicz Report post Posted April 10 Just now, Thomas Coleman said: I think you're agreeing, right Jerry? Yes sir. I have never seen that happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeH Report post Posted April 10 28 minutes ago, Thomas Coleman said: It doesn't though. Good to know. Still, it is curious to me how many violins have had broken buttons repaired without any other visible signs of trauma. Are the shims visible after a "New York neck set?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad Dorsey Report post Posted April 10 Yes, the shim is visible if you look under the fingerboard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerry Pasewicz Report post Posted April 10 49 minutes ago, GeorgeH said: Good to know. Still, it is curious to me how many violins have had broken buttons repaired without any other visible signs of trauma. Unfortunately necks are not always set as well as they could be. Counting on the button to hold the neck in, and being slipshod with the set under that justification, I suspect is the reason for most broken buttons. Also, for the button to break off during a raise projection, the neck would have to be loose from the block, which is also a problem with the neck set. Obviously in that situation the neck would need to be re-set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philip Perret Report post Posted April 10 2 hours ago, GeorgeH said: Good to know. Still, it is curious to me how many violins have had broken buttons repaired without any other visible signs of trauma. Are the shims visible after a "New York neck set?" See topic "Bellosio Decapitation". Happens not too infrequently, and as Jerry said; "necks are not always set as well as they could be." I've personally never seen a broken button that could be directly traced to raising the neck angle this way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeH Report post Posted April 10 Thanks, @Jerry Pasewicz and @Philip Perret Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew Victor Report post Posted April 10 Ifshin Violins did a New York neck reset for me 14 years ago after I bought a new cello from them. First they lowered the bridge* for me before I first took it home. The next week they lowered it a bit more. The following week, when I requested further lowering they refused and did the neck reset while I wandered around Berkeley for a few hours and had lunch before taking it home again. It has worked out fine for me even though it still has higher "action" than either of my other cellos. * I was used to a lower bridge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evan Smith Report post Posted April 10 new york neck reset, what is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Merkel Report post Posted April 10 The guy in the red shirt is as good as dead. No way to get out of that if the other guy's any good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Allen Report post Posted April 10 29 minutes ago, Bill Merkel said: The guy in the red shirt is as good as dead. No way to get out of that if the other guy's any good. Unless the guy in red has a knife with which to murder the guy choking him. Saw a guy get stabbed in the face the other day during a fist fight. Anything can happen in the streets, just like anything can happen in lutherie lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Merkel Report post Posted April 10 Ha ha, well, he better get to stabbin because he doesn't have long... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Violadamore Report post Posted April 10 54 minutes ago, Bill Merkel said: The guy in the red shirt is as good as dead. No way to get out of that if the other guy's any good. "...........Sorry I'm late, there was some unpleasantness on the subway. Fellow committed suicide with a rattail comb, but nobody saw anything. Probably drugs. Thank you soooo much for inviting me, I just love the opera, especially Tosca...." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Merkel Report post Posted April 10 If nobody saw it, at least it can't be repeated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgeH Report post Posted April 10 This thread deteriorated rapidly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
