viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 Hello all Stupid question please: A family friend has a really pretty violin certified genuine by a master luthier working out of Switzerland to be a Joannes Februnet. Who is this maker? There is JB Februnet on the internet but very little on Joannes Februnet. Are they related or same person? The work appears to be very similar Thank you! Ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 A few pics Attached Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 Scroll Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ClefLover Report post Posted March 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, viola_license_revoked said: Hello all Stupid question please: A family friend has a really pretty violin certified genuine by a master luthier working out of Switzerland to be a Joannes Februnet. Who is this maker? There is JB Februnet on the internet but very little on Joannes Februnet. Are they related or same person? The work appears to be very similar Thank you! Ray Considering it is certified, it might be best to contact the individual that certified the violin, as he/she will certainly have that information to share. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 Thanks ClefLover! Unfortunately the master dude retired 2 years ago... I'm just curious and sending out feelers to see if anyone knows more about Ioannes (?) Or Joannes Februnet... Btw, which clef do you love? Just curious... thanks again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christian bayon Report post Posted March 13, 2019 Frebrunet or Frebinet was a family working in France (east) probably coming from Germany , Fressbrunner, and change the name to a more French version. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, christian bayon said: Frebrunet or Frebinet was a family working in France (east) probably coming from Germany , Fressbrunner, and change the name to a more French version. Thank you Mr Bayon! So i would assume Ioannes or Joannes would have been a part of the family including JB... I wonder if he made anything else besides violins ray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
romberg flat Report post Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, viola_license_revoked said: So i would assume Ioannes or Joannes would have been a part of the family including JB... I wonder if he made anything else besides violins ray Or Ioannes is just Latin name for Jean (Jean-Baptiste -JB) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, romberg flat said: Or Ioannes is just Latin name for Jean (Jean-Baptiste -JB) Ha! are you a cellist by any chance? Spent a ton of time the other day planning off a couple of bevels... I had blisters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Report post Posted March 13, 2019 The pictures are kind of small! This looks like it might be a Vieux Paris instrument, but I would assume the label is a later attempt to attribute the instrument to a maker. Jean-Baptiste Frebrunet signed himself Joannes on his labels, but this doesn't look like an authentic label. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, martin swan said: The pictures are kind of small! This looks like it might be a Vieux Paris instrument, but I would assume the label is a later attempt to attribute the instrument to a maker. Jean-Baptiste Frebrunet signed himself Joannes on his labels, but this doesn't look like an authentic label. Oh no... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 This violin stuff is fascinating Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Report post Posted March 13, 2019 55 minutes ago, martin swan said: Jean-Baptiste Frebrunet signed himself Joannes on his labels, but this doesn't look like an authentic label. Hard to tell by the over-exposured photo, but the style looks similar to the example in the Cozio archive, though the arrangement is different. A bit too clean for an authentic label, but who knows? At least the scroll with the wide outer winding seems close, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Report post Posted March 13, 2019 Actually the scroll seems quite different to me - the Cozio one had a "scrollmakers' guild" scroll, very round and quite fat at the top of the scroll (when viewed from in front). The OP scroll seems to have a much bigger head and eye, but to be narrow in width across the top. Overall it's a bit less refined and well ordered than one would expect from a Frebrunet, but it would be great to see better photos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Report post Posted March 13, 2019 It's too difficult turning the neck to the right so long for an exact comparison. The throat is longer and wider at the OP, too, but as you say, scrolls were often ordered from specialised shops. Maybe Michael Appleman can tell more, if he's around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Appleman Report post Posted March 13, 2019 The violin looks pretty much like what I've seen certified by Rampal as a Frebrunet, from what I can see in the photos. I've never seen a label like this one, but from what i've come to understand Frebrunet rarely labeled his own work, often supplying violins to others, occasionally with hidden J(I)BF brands. The Frebrunet/Frebinet clan seems to have been an old Mirecourt family, and they show up on marriage deeds with various violin and bowmaking families through the generations. Jean Baptiste and "Ioannes" seem to be the same person. I expect the ribs will be in a channel and there are often black "fake" locating pins on the back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Report post Posted March 13, 2019 Thanks! Yes, there's no photo of the back actually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Appleman Report post Posted March 13, 2019 I should add, I've never seen a label like this in a Frebrunet, but I have seen one like this in books like Luttgendorf! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viola_license_revoked Report post Posted March 13, 2019 Sorry folks the pics are not mine, they are not the best. I don't think I'll be able to do a shoot, but maybe I should ask. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FiddlinDBlues Report post Posted July 23, 2019 I play a violin made by Frebrunet, and the label looks almost identical to the one pictured. I will post photos of my violin in the future so you can compare it. His violins are indeed beautiful, with a sweet, mellow tone that I find quite enchanting! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andreas Preuss Report post Posted July 24, 2019 I would contact Marc Rosenstiel who has since long time an interest in those old Mirecourt maker families. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edi malinaric Report post Posted July 24, 2019 Neat looking scroll - looks nice and frenchly delicate. cheers edi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
