Mittenwald Cello ID

[cellopera]

A Cello from Michael Boller. I couldn’t find any information on this maker. What do you think?

[martin swan]

Isn't it Poller?

the rib corners don't look like Mittenwald ...

[ClefLover]

It seems that a lot of info here on MN pertains to violin ID for Mittenwald.  What are some indicators?  I’m guessing the one piece bottom rib and saddle inset into rib aren’t necessarily cello attributes?

[PhilipKT]

9 minutes ago, ClefLover said:

It seems that a lot of info here on MN pertains to violin ID for Mittenwald.  What are some indicators?  I’m guessing the one piece bottom rib and saddle inset into rib aren’t necessarily cello attributes?

How do you know it’s the one piece bottom rib without having seen it? I can’t tell completely but it looks like the ribs corners come out flush with the end of the edge

[jacobsaunders]

Your "Boller" label is a common fake Markneukirchen label that I wrote about here:

 

Yoer Cello has never been in Mittenwald, even on holiday

[PhilipKT]

11 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

Your "Boller" label is a common fake Markneukirchen label that I wrote about here:

 

Yoer Cello has never been in Mittenwald, even on holiday

 Jacob, what do you think it is? I noticed that the peg holes have never been bushed, which implies that it’s young, but do you have any idea what it is? 

[jacobsaunders]

Probably some White Markneukirchen box that someone somewhere has tarted up

[cellopera]

1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said:

Your "Boller" label is a common fake Markneukirchen label that I wrote about here:

 

Yoer Cello has never been in Mittenwald, even on holiday

Thanks for the helpful information! Fortunately, the cello is not mine. It’s for sale in Germany though, going for 4000€.

[deans]

28 minutes ago, cellopera said:

Fortunately, the cello is not mine. It’s for sale in Germany though, going for 4000€.

That's not a terrible price, assuming there are no major condition issues. About what you pay for a playable Chinese cello.

A real 18th century M-wald cello would start at about $25K here in the US.

[ClefLover]

2 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

How do you know it’s the one piece bottom rib without having seen it? I can’t tell completely but it looks like the ribs corners come out flush with the end of the edge

I didn’t mean attributes I see in this cello, but rather the usual tell-tale signs that define a violin as Mittenwald... I’m wondering what attributes define a Mittenwald cello.

[jacobsaunders]

18 minutes ago, ClefLover said:

I’m wondering what attributes define a Mittenwald cello.

Same as a violin, just bigger

Basic featues here: 

 

[ClefLover]

19 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

Same as a violin, just bigger

Basic featues here: 

 

Okay, I see that the corners are in good shape which might indicate the purfling was not set deep to Mwald, I can’t really see the purfling itself to tell if the black is even or not, no picture of the bottom rib to help identify nor notch, surely can’t tell if the bottom block is let in, so about the only absolute  identifier might be the scroll, which seems to have a protruding head... 

[Blank face]

The rib joints are nearly flush with the plate corners and have the glue line in the center, showing both endgrains = clamped together from the outside as common to the built on the back method. The scroll front view indicates that the fluting stops before reaching the end. Both features exclude traditional Mittenwald construction.

BTW looks the varnish strange, especially at the front.