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https://currentauctions.fontainesauction.com/auction/carlo-giuseppe-testore-cello/

 

the nut area of the scroll on this cello looks very strange. 

I don’t know what Testores really look like, Although they were reputedly made for the poor people, and had plain wood and no purfling. If this is a genuine Testori it should sell for at least 10 times what they’re expecting it to go for, right? Anyway, can somebody explain the nut on this peg box? It looks really odd.

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1 hour ago, martin swan said:

If it was a Testore, I don't think anyone capable of identifying it would say so here.

If it's not a Testore, those people capable of identifying it will be happy to tell you so.

It's not a Testore.

Are you any the wiser?

:lol:

I’m not sure I understand your comment. I ask because I don’t know what to look for when attempting to identify an instrument. I don’t think anyone would conclusively say without examining in person, but they could certainly comment on this or that attribute that might indicate yes or no.

I’m certainly not going to bid on it, I was just wondering.

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This looks to me like one of these possibly Fuessen pseudo-Milanese instruments (a couple of "Finolli" labelled violins come to mind), where the lower bouts are exaggerated and the c-bouts slightly spread-eagled ...

Although the common view is that Testore instruments are a bit crude and ugly, they are still very classical and harmonious in design ... even if the work can be rapid and unrefined.

However, Carlo Giuseppe Testore was the best maker of the family, and his instruments are beautifully made.

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2 hours ago, martin swan said:

If it was a Testore, I don't think anyone capable of identifying it would say so here.

If it's not a Testore, those people capable of identifying it will be happy to tell you so.

It's not a Testore. 

Are you any the wiser? 

:lol:

What does this tell us about you Martin? This means you might be able to identify it as it is not, but as it is not you are also happy to say so. And it is easier to identify it as not being a Testore than otherwise? B)

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2 hours ago, martin swan said:

Seeking opinions for items at auction is a can of worms. Anyone with significant and relevant knowledge acquires that knowledge by dint of being a dealer.

 

 

The best way to learn about instruments is to look at lots and lots of instruments, because over time you get a sense of them, but that only happens with guidance from people who are more knowledgeable. I’ve seen lots of Testorw violins and one alleged cello, but except that Testoris didn’t use beautiful wood and were frequently unpurfled, I know nothing about what to look for.

Thats why I’m constantly posting pictures of instruments I see personally or online and asking for guidance.

the violins I’ve seen, BTW, were all golden brown, but the alleged cello was much darker, so that’s not much help.

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I still can’t open any pictues, when I click on them, I just get a ring going in a circle. The small pics look like a South German Cello to me. The sale is curious, since there is only brick-a-brack and Celli, no violins. A Stadlmann Cello looks quite good, although revarnished, but isn’t noticably cheaper than the supposed Testore. Is this political correctnes, not being rasist About Celli?

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 Jacob, I have an app called “Invaluable“ which supposedly is a collection of all the auctions going on worldwide, and you can search for any thing that is being offered and it will tell you where everything is for sale. I bought quite a few guns through Invaluable, but never a violin or cello. 

Among other things that of been offered, a browning 50 caliber machine gun was sold just a couple of weeks ago for $27,000, and a beautiful half size fully functional Gatling gun chambered for .22 sold for 12 or $15,000 a year or so ago. I asked my wife if I could have that, and she inexplicably said no.

It’s very interesting to look at the violins that are being offered, because quite frequently the auction house doesn’t have a specialist in instruments, and they have no idea what they are offering.

If the cello looks interesting enough to you, I would be happy to make some screenshots of the large photos and share them here so you could get a closer look?

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