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Mystery Cello for ID. What have we here?!

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This is my friend’s cello. Any information about age or origin/school would be fantastic. I had a few minutes for some quick iPhone photos. I’ll have more opportunities to get additional photos if need be. I didn’t get a good look at the inside work yet. I did notice a lot of interesting work done to the head. Cheers.

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Just now, Rue said:

Is that a giant cello?

 

Only compared to the usual tiny violins I post about. I’ll try to get measurements. It’s normal sized.

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I know nothing. But at least I KNOW I know nothing, so that’s something.

It’s lopsided( something for the Asymmetry thread!) and I didn’t see a mittenwald notch.

(Sigh) all this time and I still know nothing...

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4 hours ago, Guido said:

Cuijpers?

Definitely not, It feels a bit like some English mid 18th century.  Thomas Smith or something like it, Although the ff's could also be from somewhere else. What do the linings look like in cross-section?

 

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2 hours ago, Ratcliffiddles said:

What do the linings look like in cross-section?

 

Yes, I would like to know that too, also if they are let into the blocks, and from what sort of wood they are & what the blocks are like. It is curious that the shrinkage cracks of the ribs go right up to the very corners, wheras one would normally expect such cracks to start (or finish) at the corner block. Also note 7 o'clock scroll, which excludes quite a bit.

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8 hours ago, PhilipKT said:

I know nothing. But at least I KNOW I know nothing, so that’s something.

It’s lopsided( something for the Asymmetry thread!) and I didn’t see a mittenwald notch.

(Sigh) all this time and I still know nothing...

Well - you're doing much better than me! Be happy!

I looked at an old violin yesterday. Best I could come up was "old, German".  It was in good shape. Sounded awful. Totally nasal.

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6 hours ago, Ratcliffiddles said:

Definitely not, It feels a bit like some English mid 18th century.  Thomas Smith or something like it, Although the ff's could also be from somewhere else. What do the linings look like in cross-section?

 

I am trying to imagine what you're asking for here. Saturday I will attempt to take images through the F Holes showing the linings and blocks as best as I can. Will this be the angle you're looking for or are you talking about taking the top off and taking a photo from that angle?

3 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

Yes, I would like to know that too, also if they are let into the blocks, and from what sort of wood they are & what the blocks are like. It is curious that the shrinkage cracks of the ribs go right up to the very corners, wheras one would normally expect such cracks to start (or finish) at the corner block. Also note 7 o'clock scroll, which excludes quite a bit.

Thanks a lot, I will get more photos of the inside work.  Can someone please explain what 7 o'clock scroll means? Is this about the scroll not being carved to the "bitter end" underneath or does it refer to the spiraling?

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20 minutes ago, BassClef said:

I am trying to imagine what you're asking for here. Saturday I will attempt to take images through the F Holes showing the linings and blocks as best as I can. Will this be the angle you're looking for or are you talking about taking the top off and taking a photo from that angle?

Thanks a lot, I will get more photos of the inside work.  Can someone please explain what 7 o'clock scroll means? Is this about the scroll not being carved to the "bitter end" underneath or does it refer to the spiraling?

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Yes refers to where the fluting ends

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There are interesting tool marks, but I have no idea what they mean.

I'm also wondering if it had always this varnish. There are reminants of a brown or red brown colour at the end of throad.

An impressing instrument.

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Looks at least similar to Joseph Hill although FFs are stiffer.

Does anyone remember a discussion last year or so about some construction artifact peculiar to either Hill or English cellos in general which people were speculating about what it was used for? I'm remembering the discussion but not what it was about.

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3 minutes ago, nathan slobodkin said:

Looks at least similar to Joseph Hill although FFs are stiffer.

Does anyone remember a discussion last year or so about some construction artifact peculiar to either Hill or English cellos in general which people were speculating about what it was used for? I'm remembering the discussion but not what it was about.

it was about a semi circular notch on the back edge top and bottom, certainly seen on Lockey Hill

 

 

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Question;

the stubby corners. Do they indicate anything.

also, the scroll looks vertically ovoid, as if the sides of a circle had been gently compressed. Does that indicate anything?

 

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54 minutes ago, PhilipKT said:

 

the stubby corners. Do they indicate anything.

 

 

„Stubby“ corners often indicate that the ribs were made around a form, because there would not be enough rib to glue together on a built-on-back Basis otherwise. On the other hand one would expect (as I mentioned above) that the drying cacks in the ribs would stop at the corner blocks, if it had been made on a form, which hasn’t happened here, ergo confusion. BC will have to take nice pics of the corner blocks

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Here are some rather poor images of the block and lining area. If more or better are needed (most likely?) I will figure out how to get it done. 

Mid there any chance this Cello is Austrian?

I had purchased an endoscope for this reason but returned it because it was too big to fit in the button hole of a 1/128-1/8 violin. If anyone has a link to a good violin endoscope that’s very thin around the camera please link it.

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