cellopera Posted October 6, 2018 Report Share Posted October 6, 2018 Would you say this instrument is authentic, or workshop? It comes with a certificate, but I heard that they could be forged! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CELLO-Mario-Gadda-MANTOVA-1987-SOUND-SAMPLE-YOUTUBE-CERTIFICATE/223176772658?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D53954%26meid%3D85bcac3b7ffc47439dc75e65dfc6e410%26pid%3D100970%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D183471534493%26itm%3D223176772658&_trksid=p2481888.c100970.m5481&_trkparms=pageci%3Ab5eb298c-c97e-11e8-acbc-74dbd180c335|parentrq%3A4a0d2b1b1660ac88e2c69f1efff6da56|iid%3A1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane88 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 "Danger Will Robinson Danger". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticpaw Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, duane88 said: "Danger Will Robinson Danger". Accompanied by lots of arm waving … much like a cellist playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 Yes it’s real. I have a Mario Gadda violin. Certificate and the instrument label branding look legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClefLover Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 I wouldn’t know a Gadda, but it looks like a very well-built cello, especially the scroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishopstrings Posted October 10, 2018 Report Share Posted October 10, 2018 They made a million of these...with certs! I think they are still making them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClefLover Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 14 hours ago, Bishopstrings said: They made a million of these...with certs! I think they are still making them. Mario Gadda made a million celli with certificates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 More accurate to say he certified a vast number of instruments which featured his label ... To the extent that it's very difficult to authenticate one self-certified Mario Gadda by comparing it with another self-certified Mario Gadda One would also have to note the major Reghin influence that crept into his later work, or that of his workshop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClefLover Posted October 11, 2018 Report Share Posted October 11, 2018 I remember hearing some dark/shades trade stories of the Gadda family shortly after taking over Scampella’s workshop. Rumors, which I don’t wish to spread, if they are untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 uuuuuuuuhh…. https://tarisio.com/auctions/auction/lot/?csid=2198847488&cpid=3546464256&filter_key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 12, 2018 Report Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Guido said: uuuuuuuuhh…. https://tarisio.com/auctions/auction/lot/?csid=2198847488&cpid=3546464256&filter_key The wording is correct : "product of the late Mario Gadda workshop". I think you need to read between the lines ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Carlson Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 2:28 AM, germain said: Yes it’s real. I have a Mario Gadda violin. Certificate and the instrument label branding look legit. I have to admire someone who can be so sure.... I live in Italy (64 kilometers fro Mantova) and I refuse to write certificates of authenticity for Mario Gadda instruments. There are numerous fake certificates as well. It's a minefield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deans Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 Pretty good estimate though for the tarisio cello. And the ebay one doesnt seem too far out of line even if it is romanian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipKT Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) I played a Gadda cello yesterday. Being offered by a reputable dealer, so I don’t have any particular reason to doubt it. But it wasn’t especially attractive, and I did not care for the sound. Edited October 14, 2018 by PhilipKT Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landolfi Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Was offered a Goddard violin directly from the family. Spoke with a few reputable dealers, too many question marks, so i stayed away. They reminded me of the equivalent of the Score baseball cards when the limited edition were offered by the millions at cable home shopping network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishopstrings Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 23 hours ago, Bruce Carlson said: I have to admire someone who can be so sure.... I live in Italy (64 kilometers fro Mantova) and I refuse to write certificates of authenticity for Mario Gadda instruments. There are numerous fake certificates as well. It's a minefield. I would say its a minefield on a minefield ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wood Butcher Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Things like this are a real shame. Obviously he could, and did make some good instruments. It seems that many workshops in Italy were buying in unfinished instruments, adjusting and varnishing them, then exporting them, so Gadda wasn't alone in this, but it does seem they went totally over the top, or it became common knowledge in way that it didn't quite for the others. Guess it didn't help that they were apparently still being "made" once he had died. Either way, it's sad that now most of his instruments will be viewed with some suspicion, and his reputation will no doubt suffer greatly in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germain Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 11:20 AM, Bruce Carlson said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Televet Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, germain said: I wouldn't exactly trust a certificate from Bruce Carlson outside of Manotova so its good you are not issuing them hahaha. The pictured cello- craftsmanship, branding and label point to Gadda workshop. I can barely believe you just wrote that. Do you have any idea who you are speaking to? If you do any respect you might have had here is rapidly vanishing and if you don't, your ignorance is barely excusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 hours ago, germain said: I wouldn't exactly trust a certificate from Bruce Carlson outside of Manotova so its good you are not issuing them hahaha. The pictured cello- craftsmanship, branding and label point to Gadda workshop. Who are you exactly? And where is Manotova - is it next to Manitoba? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 hours ago, martin swan said: .... And where is Manotova - is it next to Manitoba? Nope. That would be us.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGerald StephenR Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 Oof... DGSR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClefLover Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 8 hours ago, martin swan said: Who are you exactly? And where is Manotova - is it next to Manitoba? Great response! Love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted October 17, 2018 Report Share Posted October 17, 2018 Reminds me of Salvador Dali prints. ( Don't you know someone who has one of those?) In the 70s a van was held up at the Spanish -French border and on inspection customs found about 10,000 sheets of blank paper each with an original signature of Salvador Dali. The van was on it's way to Paris to a group of hired artists who had been instructed by Dali how to make surrealistic prints in his style. Customs had to let them go. How many vans did cross the border over time no one knows. There are now 3 different kinds of Dali prints: the ones made by himself, the ones made by his Paris friends and the ones made by others as well but with a faked signature. The funny thing is that the fake ones with real signature still fetched over a 1000 dollars some years ago and maybe even more today. Apparently a few art dealers are expert enough that they can tell the difference. Whether they do or don't who knows. I bet you that "M Gadda" violins - with his papers and stamp - will continue to fetch good money no matter the very questionable origins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted October 18, 2018 Report Share Posted October 18, 2018 Maybe one day there will be a book on Mario Gadda like this one: https://www.amazon.ca/Great-Dali-Fraud-Other-Deceptions/dp/0942637631 Just check https://www.artbrokerage.com/Salvador-Dali and others and you see that Dali prints actually go for many thousands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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