Lancelot Posted September 11, 2018 Report Posted September 11, 2018 Found on a viola, I cannot read correctly nor find a name quite close, does somebody could help me? Many thanks
ClefLover Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 Portoferraio? What does the rest of the viola look like?
Quadibloc Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 There's a Pierre Pacherele and a Michel Pacherele, but no G. Pacherele, and in any event, that name isn't really very close.
ClefLover Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 Portear is Spanish for carry, fario is Italian for brown
Mark Caudle Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 G Porte e fatto?????I don't speak Italian but maybe something similar.
ClefLover Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 Based upon the inside corner pictured, are there no corner blocks? It’s darkened in the corner, but not where the linings/ribs are...
Lancelot Posted September 12, 2018 Author Report Posted September 12, 2018 Yesvthey are corner block , I’m going to take pictures
Lancelot Posted September 12, 2018 Author Report Posted September 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, ClefLover said: Based upon the inside corner pictured, are there no corner blocks? It’s darkened in the corner, but not where the linings/ribs are... Here are the pics;)
Quadibloc Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 To me, it looks like Popleafaeis and I don't recognize the name at all.
Delabo Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 I have no idea what the name says, but the construction seems unconventional. Mitres to the upper and lower bouts,strange top and bottom blocks. I guess it all adds up to autodidact (amateur) made. The fingerboard looks to be rosewood,so maybe that's a clue to its country of origin ? maybe it has a through neck ?
Rue Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 I vote for Portobello - maybe he was thinking of dinner at the time...
ClefLover Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Rue said: I vote for Portobello - maybe he was thinking of dinner at the time... Mmmm... I would have written the same. I love Portobellos! 25 minutes ago, Delabo said: I have no idea what the name says, but the construction seems unconventional. Mitres to the upper and lower bouts,strange top and bottom blocks. I guess it all adds up to autodidact (amateur) made. The fingerboard looks to be rosewood,so maybe that's a clue to its country of origin ? maybe it has a through neck ? The delta on the pegbox is about as big as I’ve ever seen! My guess is Portoferraio, Italy. As that is a port city, maybe it is a multi-cultural instrument with parts being from all over the region.
Michael Jennings Posted September 12, 2018 Report Posted September 12, 2018 48 minutes ago, Rue said: I vote for Portobello - maybe he was thinking of dinner at the time... Had them last night for tea in a nice fry-up!
Lancelot Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Posted September 13, 2018 5 hours ago, ClefLover said: Mmmm... I would have written the same. I love Portobellos! The delta on the pegbox is about as big as I’ve ever seen! My guess is Portoferraio, Italy. As that is a port city, maybe it is a multi-cultural instrument with parts being from all over the region. They were three men and three trees. The three men decided to cross the world with a pièce of three différent trees. And when they arrived by chance in the same port, they. Decided to make a viola, and this port was... PORTOFERRAIO;)
Lancelot Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Posted September 13, 2018 To me it appears, G Porte aSielo, afielo,, afelo, afaelo,afeio, G porte/ , seems to be ok ? No ? but at this time, after the votes, we don’t know the name of the president!
glebert Posted September 13, 2018 Report Posted September 13, 2018 I think it says Pete Faris. You remember crazy Pete Faris, right? Spent 6 months trying to write his name on the inside of a violin through the f-holes? Yeah, that crazy Pete.
Lancelot Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Posted September 13, 2018 47 minutes ago, glebert said: I think it says Pete Faris. You remember crazy Pete Faris, right? Spent 6 months trying to write his name on the inside of a violin through the f-holes? Yeah, that crazy Pete. !!!! LOL Finally my daughter, ten years old helped me, and now I think : GAorde ———afilio afilis ???
Blank face Posted September 13, 2018 Report Posted September 13, 2018 The wood looks like half-slabcut birdseye maple in my eyes, sometimes seen at late 19th rather tradey instruments. The OP looks as if roughly from this period. It has a through neck with a very distinguished carved "foot", but other details like the rib joints (prob. clamped and build on the back) more roughly, as well as the teethed plane marks at the outside ribs and the squarish bottom patches, the head and pegbox more roughly, too. This all points IMO to an autodidactical maker without any local tradition, so it could be made elsewhere. So it can be difficult to find the very blurred name registred somewhere in a violin makers dictionary.
martin swan Posted September 13, 2018 Report Posted September 13, 2018 It's also rather dangerous to assume that a signature on the inside of the table belongs to the maker. More likely a repairer ... Most self-taught makers are either inordinately proud of their work (big label) or slightly ashamed (no label).
Ganymede Piggot Posted September 13, 2018 Report Posted September 13, 2018 I don't know what it says, but I do know it's a curse.
Lancelot Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, martin swan said: It's also rather dangerous to assume that a signature on the inside of the table belongs to the maker. More likely a repairer ... Most self-taught makers are either inordinately proud of their work (big label) or slightly ashamed (no label). Right Martin! , and your suggestion lead me to think that this is the name of the reparer. Look at the back of the table. Further more, it is probably the name of table’s maker. The table appears to be a recent work ,she has not big sign of use, wich is not the case of the belly. The body of the instrument had been totaly revarnished. The neck and back in my opinion would be from the XVII, with good signs of use on the belly, and of tools on the neck. The neck is of course « baroque » only glued (so not XVIII ), and the way it is done show that they were not as many rules as later. Not an « amateur » but an unknown maker. You lead me to scrute the « paperwood » . In fact it is the original label: I can see M.H faciat , or something like this, I go very carefuly for cleaning, I don’t like this, I fear the consequences of that. Let’s look at the pics.
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