Mathias Kloz copy (ID an Value help)

[Rafael M]

Hi guys!

First post heren and I kindly ask for help in identifying and valuing this violin.

It was bought 22 years ago, at that time I was still playing, but I had to focus on other activities and the instrument was left in the case for those years.

From what I can remember the luthier who sold it said it was a copy, but I do not know how exact its source was.

Thank you much!

Rafael Mello

 

[Blank face]

Hi Rafael,

this isn't exactly a "copy" of a Klotz, rather a well made Markneukirchen violin from the late 19th century, following the flat arched models which were produced in this period, Such labels were randomly taken from the big sheets of commercially available prints, they also could have taken a "Guarneri", "Bergonzi" (to avoid Stardivari), Wood and workmanship look well.

[Rafael M]

15 hours ago, Blank face said:

Hi Raffael,

this isn't exactly a "copy" of a Klotz, rather a well made Markneukirchen violin from the late 19th century, following the flat arched models which were produced in this period, Such labels were randomly taken from the big sheets of commercially available prints, they also could have taken a "Guarneri", "Bergonzi" (to avoid Stardivari), Wood and workmanship look well.

Hi @Blank face! Thanks for you reply.

Could you tell me the aspects of this instrument are identifiable as being Markneukirchen and an approximate value (or range)?

And what characteristics are taken into consideration when determining the value of this violin?

Thank you very much!

Best regards.

[Blank face]

On 6/21/2018 at 2:54 PM, Rafael M said:

Hi @Blank face! Thanks for you reply.

Could you tell me the aspects of this instrument are identifiable as being Markneukirchen and an approximate value (or range)?

And what characteristics are taken into consideration when determining the value of this violin?

Thank you very much!

Best regards.

It's not everything visible within the photos what would be necessary to come to a final conclusion, but especially the way the rib corners seem to be constructed (clamped long together), the form of the scroll, the chippy varnish, wood and model give me the impression of a Late 19th/ca. 1900 Vogtland trade violin. It would be interesting to know if it has a morticed or through, if the front scroll fluting goes "to the bitter end" or stops before reaching this point or the form of the corner blocks, but I'm doubting that there would be a different outcome after ticking these boxes.

Reg. value, it's with this type of instrument depending from the venue. In Germany, where this instruments aren't rare at all, it would be very hard to sell it for 1 000 Euro in a perfect condition (which it isn't, for instance seems a neck reset necessary, the cracks proper glued and it needs a new set up), but this can be very different at other places. Other value determing factors are body and stop lengths, so this question can't be answered easily.

[Guido]

Regarding value I'd fully agree with BF and might add that the cost of repair to a reasonable standard can easily exceed what you will then get for the violin.

As it is, I think if it was on ebay in Germany you might fetch 200-300 Euro, and in economic terms this is likely your best avenue.

Alternatively, you could try to have a luthier asses both the instrument and the repair cost under the premise that he would repair the instrument and then sell it on commission.