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 ... that it couldn't look less like an Alessandro Gagliano?

It looks like a venerable old cello of mid-German origin, (at least for the body), Widhalm-esque even, but the condition seems poor and there seems to be a premium for the fake label. 

 

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The label is definitely ridiculous.  A chance this could be Early 19th century English?  The top plate shape gives me that “feeling.”  Scroll has less of a turn, or something, which kinda looks Italian.  

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Why always think it is (modern) Italian if you don't know where to put it?

When I studied many American instruments while I was in New York there were many makers which could be confused with modern Italian makers because both schools had many lesser known makers who were essentially self trained. As a result we find in both schools very idiosyncratic instruments.

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On 4/12/2018 at 9:16 PM, Andreas Preuss said:

Why always think it is (modern) Italian if you don't know where to put it?

When I studied many American instruments while I was in New York there were many makers which could be confused with modern Italian makers because both schools had many lesser known makers who were essentially self trained. As a result we find in both schools very idiosyncratic instruments.

Are you saying you believe this is an American instrument?  

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10 hours ago, ClefLover said:

Are you saying you believe this is an American instrument?  

Not really, I am just trying to make a point here: why do people almost always start with the most expensive assumption? (Alessandro Gagliamo! That's ridiculous) of course it is aiming at making it at least an unidentified Italian. 

In the 'worst' case the cello could be American, but it is impossible to tell from pictures (and the vendor probably knows it), because the best way to recognize 19th century American makers is the wood.

Now let's simply assume the cello would be named American. Nobody would spend a minute on it and the price tag would be closer to what it is worth. 

I hope no one will believe it.

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3 hours ago, Andreas Preuss said:

...why do people almost always start with the most expensive assumption?...

Wishful thinking. 

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11 hours ago, Andreas Preuss said:

Don't agree. Many vendors know that it is wrong.

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One...or maybe both...of us...is confused...^_^

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