One more violin ID... whew.

[ClefLover]

Here is another violin... is this actually considered double purfling?  Like the strange-bodied violin I posted, I have no clue.  The saddle sits on top and the bottom rib is two piece, so I can at least rule out Mittenwald.  The ffs are super wide, but really symmetrical, I think... do I smell another factory fiddle?  

[Rue]

...my eyes must be failing...I  see nothing...

[ClefLover]

Whoops, here are the photos sent to me.  And guess the ffs are not as symmetrical as I thought.

[ClefLover]

I can also deduct that it needs a bath.

[Rue]

Yes...that is double purfling and there is the extra turn to the scroll.

The extra turn is not actually a "real Maggini" feature...it materialised in copies due to a mis-reading...

I think it is attractive. Hope it plays well.

Post more pics after the bath!

[ClefLover]

Schönbach?  

[Jeff Jetson]

I hope it sounds as good as it looks. 

[deans]

I would say German/Czech. Among the nicer ones of this type. And it looks to be in very good condition. 

[hendrik]

What's the LOB?

[ClefLover]

LOB is 363mm

[ClefLover]

So with a bit of poking around, it seems this extra turn in the scroll was common in “Maggini” German copies around 1900-1920, but Maggini never actually did an extra turn.  The double purfling was a Maggini trait.  Label is a Scarampella, but why a copy of his work so soon afterward?  Plus, it looks nothing like any of his works... if I was a German workshop, why not slap a Maggini label in there to at least have the traits correct? FYI, my research is limited to what I can find on online archives. :/

[ClefLover]

Oh, and I basically just stated some info Rue already mentioned, sorry about that broken record.

[Rue]

5 minutes ago, ClefLover said:

Oh, and I basically just stated some info Rue already mentioned, sorry about that broken record.

[germain]

Saxony-- they were out of Maggini labels at the moment and found a few Scarampella at the bottom of the drawer... ;-)

[hendrik]

Looks like a " Maggini" copy from the MKN area to me. 

These are quite common and sometimes sound decent.

The violin is oversize  at a LOB of 36.3 cm so the value is a fair bit lower

than a standard size violin.

 

 

[J-G]

Then there's the many da Salo models, with a half turn less in the scroll.

I much prefer it to the Maggini scrolls-- but wonder if it has any more historical validity. 

With these too you get the double purfling, but standard body size.

 

 

[ClefLover]

1 hour ago, hendrik said:

Looks like a " Maggini" copy from the MKN area to me. 

These are quite common and sometimes sound decent.

The violin is oversize  at a LOB of 36.3 cm so the value is a fair bit lower

than a standard size violin.

 

 

Very helpful, thank you!  

[ClefLover]

Would I be crazy to spend $2,200 usd on this violin?

[uguntde]

$2200 sounds OK after it had been set up with a new bridge and strings. This is an attractive instrument.

[deans]

4 minutes ago, ClefLover said:

Would I be crazy to spend $2,200 usd on this violin?

I could see this particular example sitting in certain shops at that amount, in spite of its origins and size just because its  a nice example. It would be a desirable item among fiddlers. It needs a good cleaning and set-up, probably seam gluing, new strings, spacing at the nut is narrow, so figure another $500 or more too.

[ClefLover]

52 minutes ago, deans said:

I could see this particular example sitting in certain shops at that amount, in spite of its origins and size just because its  a nice example. It would be a desirable item among fiddlers. It needs a good cleaning and set-up, probably seam gluing, new strings, spacing at the nut is narrow, so figure another $500 or more too.

Okay, gives me something to think on then.

[GeorgeH]

Just a note - Maggini violin copies with double purfling and other non-traditional stylings are not as salable as traditional violins. I learned this when I had two lovely violins by the same maker appraised for replacement cost, and the Maggini model was valued at about 2/3 of the Strad model. Both were of excellent quality. The appraiser told me that classical musicians tend not to buy ornate violins, and fiddle players, who like them more, don't spend as much money on violins as classical players.

Something to keep in mind if you're negotiating a price... 

[puckfandan]

Old violin set, Italian SCARAMPELLA 1890, as-found https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F162923215292

[______]

I've seen similiar copy at present Amati Affordable auction, whereas there price starts from 10pounds. Maybe it's worth looking.

JM

[Blank face]

12 hours ago, puckfandan said:

Old violin set, Italian SCARAMPELLA 1890, as-found https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F162923215292

As the Scarampella label looks quite new (nicely coffee drops applied) the questions if some Markneukirchen wholesalers put it in or if it was bought "long ago in France" appear to be superfluous.