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Christian Bayon's Bass Bar In the Feb. 18 Strad

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Just read the trade secrets article on the bass bar by Christian Bayon. Has anyone tried an instrument of his with his bass bar? I am a fan of his beautiful violins. It is interesting to consider a possible evolution or at the least a variation on the traditional bass bar.  

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Wider, longer (294mm), triangular in profile. It also has two cutouts where it does not contact the top. Much like a bridge. It is a variation of a design by Thilbouville-Lamy although quite different.

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I must admit, as a complete amateur and ignoramus, I have sometimes wondered whether it would work to make a bass bar as a proper beam, with a thin shear web connecting the top to a beam the same or similar profile of a normal bass bar, but perhaps 1.0cm wide, 0.3cm thick. The idea being stiffness with lightness. If he puts the wide end of the bar up, away from the top, that would have a roughly similar effect, I guess.  I always assumed that since no one was doing it it must be just my own stupid idea that would not work.

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Just now, Ken_N said:

That bar is huge!  And long besides.

Exactly. If this came from anyone other than someone like Christian, it would be easy to dismiss this as too avant garde! He is one of the few makers that when I see pics of his violins, the corners of my mouth go up.:D Never played one though...

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It would be very difficult to say whether the bass bar makes difference in sound.

The vn could have sounded good w/ regular BB.

You need many samples for any meaningful conclusion.

Many new BB designs came and gone.

KYC

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31 minutes ago, Mike_Danielson said:

Maybe the bass bar is not too important.

The bass bar IS important, as evidenced by my test of what happens when you don't have one.

As long as there is a bass bar, the exact mass and stiffness (within reason) don't seem to be terribly important, from what I can tell.

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10 hours ago, Don Noon said:

The bass bar IS important, as evidenced by my test of what happens when you don't have one.

As long as there is a bass bar, the exact mass and stiffness (within reason) don't seem to be terribly important, from what I can tell.

I'd say the violin is not working in the same way with this bar, so previous conventional bass bar experience may not necessarily be relevant.

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