German School 19th century violin

[millant]

Hi all and Happy New Year,

I have owned this violin for 17 years now and it´s one of my favourite violins, but all I say is it´s a german violin from 19th century. Can you anybody please help with a more accurate and precise information? Anybody see an individual maker or workshop here? Label says Joseph Horenstainer Musicant Mittenwald an der Iser 1834. I have played it for many years and I really love its tone; an easy to play violin too. A really light thin violin with some nice craquelature almost all over back, top and scroll. 

Thanks in advance!!

        Luis

[Blank face]

Looks like Mittenwald, but not Hornstainer Musicant, rather a post 1850 good Verleger (homeworker made) violin.

[millant]

12 hours ago, Blank face said:

Looks like Mittenwald, but not Hornstainer Musicant, rather a post 1850 good Verleger (homeworker made) violin.

Hi Blank face, thanks for your comment,

According to Jacob Saunders in old post I see now that the inscription on pegbox relates to those Verleger violins. I have always been curious about that inscription, and this makes sense for me now. I remember a picture of a similar inscription on a pegbox that I found on the net (an small viola from www.martinswanviolins.com I think).

Regards,

           Luis

[jacobsaunders]

13 hours ago, millant said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This peg box marking normaly only has the month /year, and initials of the craftsman who made the scroll ONLY. I cannot read it from the photo, but the OP should be able too

I expect that the Label is one of these 

I agree with BF that it is a nice "Verleger" violin from the mid 19th C

[nathan slobodkin]

Jacob,

Only initials in the inscription or only the scroll made by the guy who initialed it with the body made by some one else?

[jacobsaunders]

1 hour ago, nathan slobodkin said:

Jacob,

Only initials in the inscription or only the scroll made by the guy who initialed it with the body made by some one else?

Only Initials and year of the bloke who made the scroll in black ink on the nut end of the pegbox, and the body from someone else (often some years later)

[millant]

1 hour ago, jacobsaunders said:

Only Initials and year of the bloke who made the scroll in black ink on the nut end of the pegbox, and the body from someone else (often some years later)

Thanks a lot Nathan and specially Jacob,

Here you have two more pictures from inscription in pegbox and the label inside. 

  Luis

[jacobsaunders]

Good luck interpreting the peg box inscription, I read „Joßa“ but can’t make sense of the numbers. I’ll wait and see what Blank Face reads. I mentioned above where I presume the label came from.

[nathan slobodkin]

10 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

Only Initials and year of the bloke who made the scroll in black ink on the nut end of the pegbox, and the body from someone else (often some years later)

Thanks

[Guido]

7 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

Good luck interpreting the peg box inscription, I read „Joßa“ but can’t make sense of the numbers. I’ll wait and see what Blank Face reads. I mentioned above where I presume the label came from.

Could this read 20/38 and denote week 20? Or was it always month/ year?

[Blank face]

13 hours ago, jacobsaunders said:

Good luck interpreting the peg box inscription, I read „Joßa“ but can’t make sense of the numbers. I’ll wait and see what Blank Face reads. I mentioned above where I presume the label came from.

Whatever one might read reg. the inscription, I'm not sure if it will make more sense than your anecdote about the 3 Maaß Bier .

The same could be said about 19th century Mitenwald labels; I found several authentic looking "Mathias Neuner" with extremely unprobable datings from the early 19th, and actually I have a viola very similar to the OP, clearly mid 19th or later Verleger, with an authentic (not switched) Buchdruck label from Hornsteiner Hofschmied 1803.

A nice "Musicant" can be seen at the Museum website, I once had an identical example, but his labels could have been kept and used for much later instruments.http://www.geigenbaumuseum-mittenwald.de/index.php?id=168

[millant]

Many thanks to all contributors, it's great to know your opinions.

I have received a pegbox inscription picture that looks quite similar to the one I posted. Thanks to Paul Dodd for sharing with me. He reads "J Laube" (Josef Laube, czeck violin maker) from Jihvili. 

What do you think or read? 

 

[millant]

Sorry, I meant Joseph Laube from Jihlava... 

Edited January 3, 2018 by millant
I missed to add pictures.

[jacobsaunders]

Sorry to be a killjoy, but your's doesn't say Laube, since an old German "u" would need a horisontal line above it. Neither do I believe the one of youre freind, since I see a "ß" and not a "b"

[Rue]

Hmm - if I squint at it...could it be Leiße?

...which doesn't mean anything to me...but might to someone else...

 

[Blank face]

2 hours ago, millant said:

Sorry, I meant Joseph Laube from Jihlava... 

 

Two different words, which have the L and ß in common, but not much more. It would be interesting to know if the second one (with fake graft?) is a Mittenwald, too.

The second line of the OP reads in my eyes 20/do, what could refer to any lost production code. It's always funny to decipher old kurrent handwriting, but if these are akronyms or specific to a storage system it's almost hopeless, nor would it tell us anything about the instrument in question.