Another british bow

[jandepora]

This time I have this bow. It is stamped BILTON (?)

Again, using the Jacob Saunders  article, I could say this bow round 1820, but it looks a cheaper one from 1840/50.

What do you think.

 

[jacobsaunders]

I would agree that it is budget English about 1830ish. It is a slight shame that someone has beveled off the end of the stick and filed the nipple away to accomidate a forgin adjuster. I presume that Mr. Bilton is some shopkeeper who would have retailed it back then.

[jandepora]

I am thinking if the button is original and someone varnish over it. I will try to clean it.

[Conor Russell]

I don't think I've seen the ivory tip cut right across at the slot like that before. Any comments?

[Blank face]

2 hours ago, Conor Russell said:

I don't think I've seen the ivory tip cut right across at the slot like that before. Any comments?

Maybe caused by some rehairers trying to cut out the hair and wedge?

I agree that the adjuster looks very old (walrus?), but not original, much too narrow for the stick

[Mark Caudle]

http://www.mcgee-flutes.com/collection.html

If you look down the page on this link you will see a flute by Bilton with a bit of information about his address and dates

[jandepora]

Thank you, it seems that this make stronger the date round 1830. John Richard Bilton.

But now the question is who make the bow for him. Someone see any resemblance with any of the commun makers of the time?

What wood is the bow made of? 

[fiddlecollector]

The adjuster is bone,it often discolours like that from the rust in the screw.

[Conor Russell]

Here's a cello bow that reminds me of it. Very stout and strong, of a yellowish brown wood.  This one's branded Forster.

[Conor Russell]

[jandepora]

The wood seems like the one of this piccolo.

 

[fiddlecollector]

The piccolo is boxwood ,the bow isn`t boxwood. Its probably the same wood as the one Conor posted . Some of these woods especially by English makers are very hard to identify as they often used anything that was suitable .Yours has those long grain structures like you get on ipe/ hakia or several other exotic woods.

They are different than what you get on pernambuco ,they are lines that are continuous unlike pernambuco that is like little blocks/specks.

 

[fiddlecollector]

Some of these bow woods remind me of plain light coloured astronium, (of which Goncalo Alves is one species).

Of course it could be just native beech or something.

 

[Conor Russell]

Fiddlecollector, 

Do you think mine would have had an ivory face like the o.p.?

The slot in the head goes right to the edge too.

[fiddlecollector]

Conor, its hard to tell. It may  have  just had a thick veneer of boxwood,ebony  or similar which was very common back then. Often just on the bottom face like the OP`s bow. The head on your bow looks very similar to the OP bow.

[Conor Russell]

Thanks FC

[jacobsaunders]

If you consulllt my chart (should you consider it valid) https://du4dv89wgxa89.cloudfront.net/Uploads/i/q/m/britishbow1_649622.pdf

you will see that they spared their time with face-plates on the cheaper bows until quite late