Julian Cossmann Cooke Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 11 hours ago, BassClef said: The peg tip on the lower string peg of the OP instrument is similar in style to the ones on the violin you posted. Have you seen this style before? Is it indicative of any particular style? Shows how much attention I pay to the pegs when admiring the scroll itself! No, I haven't seen that kind of adornment -- or if I have, I didn't notice it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 29 minutes ago, Julian Cossmann Cooke said: Shows how much attention I pay to the pegs when admiring the scroll itself! No, I haven't seen that kind of adornment -- or if I have, I didn't notice it. They were more common at one time. But they had a tendency buzz, loosen and fall out, and get caught on long hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 12 hours ago, BassClef said: The peg tip on the lower string peg of the OP instrument is similar in style to the ones on the violin you posted. Have you seen this style before? Is it indicative of any particular style? These kind of pegs were often used at better Mirecourt instruments of the ca. 1900 period, usually from rosewood. Maybe the loss of 3 out of 4 is another antiquing feature? And how long needs a player's hair to be to get in touch with the pegs, or should be a storm from the back direction involved? Excessive headbanging? Headscratching with the scroll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violinsRus Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, BassClef said: The peg tip on the lower string peg of the OP instrument is similar in style to the ones on the violin you posted. Have you seen this style before? Is it indicative of any particular style? I have a set of old violin pegs with this ornament. There is a hole drilled in the end of the peg and the gold (or brass) piece is simply pushed into the hole. That's why it also slips out, as the OP pegs demonstrate! I don't know where this style originated. oops, I see BF gave you an origin above, missed that! My pegs are ebony, not rosewood. Edited November 4, 2017 by violinsRus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holbrook Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 i'll bite. my immediate thought was Amati but I'll go with Andrea Guarneri as a guess. thanks for the pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Rat Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 On 11/3/2017 at 4:58 PM, BassClef said: The peg tip on the lower string peg of the OP instrument is similar in style to the ones on the violin you posted. Have you seen this style before? Is it indicative of any particular style? I've always seen the solid form of these peg "adornments" referred to as, "olives." http://www.dov-music.com/proddetail.asp?prod=1904 Rat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 18 hours ago, Blank face said: And how long needs a player's hair to be to get in touch with the pegs, or should be a storm from the back direction involved? Excessive headbanging? Headscratching with the scroll? Not very long, when the violin is held vertically on the lap in "rest position". Or for a cellist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Stross Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, David Burgess said: Not very long, when the violin is held vertically on the lap in "rest position". Or for a cellist. David, sorry - bit OT but what's happening with the violin when the water comes down ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romberg flat Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Perhaps this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Stross Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 2 hours ago, romberg flat said: Perhaps this... What ??? I can't see much. Anyway, do notice how limiting the "choreography" is. There seems to be two reasons : cheap clip done by a moron and 2) she's got both of her hands busy. If she'd play clarinet, at least one hand would be free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romberg flat Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, carl stross said: What ??? I can't see much. You are right. This is a much better example what's happening when water comes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Stross Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, romberg flat said: You are right. This is a much better example what's happening when water comes down. Yes !!! Now we're talking ! .... and he can actually play violin ! THIS is going to get Violadamore practicin' . But then I've seen him first and used to have a decent left hook..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 My kind of guy - note how he carefully wipes the condensation off the shower cubicle walls. Very well brought up! Shirtless Violinist : shirtless Lindsey Stirling : witless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassClef Posted November 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 16 hours ago, David Holbrook said: i'll bite. my immediate thought was Amati but I'll go with Andrea Guarneri as a guess. thanks for the pictures. You're welcome! Let's turn this up a notch. Here's a photo of the front. Good color images of this impossibly important instrument are not available online, this is a strait-to-maestronet bassclef exclusive. ...probably the most important object I've ever held in my hands. Or am I exaggerating? What is this instrument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jennings Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Is that "chevron" above the ff's what it appears to be? upper bout wood is not book matched and, although close in places, doesn't match the grain in the mid body. Looks, from the photo like the belly has had some significant repair/replacement....... unless the original top billet was spliced before carving???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan slobodkin Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 One of the challenges of violin identification is that in some situations such as being shown an instrument which is owned by a famous player or a reputable expert you can look at them thinking "what is this?" and in others you must look at it thinking "what is this supposed to be" then work out if it really is that as a separate issue. The scroll looks like your basic upscale classical Italian scroll with as Jacob points out some suspiciously repetitious damage and the Ff wings look sort of Ruggieri but there are some strange things that have happened to this fiddle. I'm putting my smug "I know everything" look on my face while waiting for some one else to stick their neck out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Because the photos are showing a viola's scroll, so it's a (in an unusual way) reduced former tall viola of the Amati school, maybe with a replacement scroll? Looking closer at the scroll, I'm getting somehow confused. One the one hand the scratches at the top are suspicious, like screwdriver made, but there are, OTOH, some real looking repairs at the treble side and the planed down walls at the nut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGo Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 That definitely looks like reduced instrument to my eyes. The grain pattern matches perfectly on all parts, but the upper bout top halves were reduced to taper at the centerline towards neck to make the upper bout less wide without changing the purfling, which created slight angle in grain and minor mismatch of grain lines at the joint. The short and deep looking c-bouts seem to have tiny bit of change in curvature where the slpice ends. What instrument would warrant such extensive work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlecollector Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Looks like a brothers Amati to me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 That's a terrible cut-down job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Cossmann Cooke Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/4/2017 at 7:46 AM, David Burgess said: They were more common at one time. But they had a tendency buzz, loosen and fall out, and get caught on long hair. Familiarity with the latter problem being from personal experience, David? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 28 minutes ago, Julian Cossmann Cooke said: Familiarity with the latter problem being from personal experience, David? Yes, I had to experience it for myself. Those female players told me that they weren't just being sissies, and I didn't believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Harrison Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 3 hours ago, martin swan said: That's a terrible cut-down job. You're right - the f'holes look beautiful but the C'bout shape is now very awkward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Guy Harrison said: You're right - the f'holes look beautiful but the C'bout shape is now very awkward. Also I never saw such a harsh and visible line on a fine instrument. With good quality work you can look for days before you realize what you're looking at ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jennings Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 8 hours ago, HoGo said: That definitely looks like reduced instrument to my eyes. The grain pattern matches perfectly on all parts, but the upper bout top halves were reduced to taper at the centerline towards neck to make the upper bout less wide without changing the purfling, which created slight angle in grain and minor mismatch of grain lines at the joint. The short and deep looking c-bouts seem to have tiny bit of change in curvature where the slpice ends. What instrument would warrant such extensive work? Thanks!! That makes perfect sense to what I was observing.... I admit that I was unaware that "cutting-down" instruments, other than Cello, was a "regular?" practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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