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FoxMitchell

Confusing eBay Violin

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My turn to play "look what I found on eBay!"

(actually it started 'recommending' violins to me after I searched for bridge blanks there)

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-ITALIAN-LABELED-VIOLIN-MASTER-HANDMADE-4-4-READY-TO-PLAY-BEAUTIFUL-VIOLIN/332315543990?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D97976fd145624dbf8a8c3bdfcf22b405%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D352124592011

 

This violin puzzles me! From some shots it looks very new, and very Chinese-y. But the interior looks dirtier and grayer than I've seen stuff from the late 1800's.

I'm not gonna buy it but it would be interesting to hear people's thoughts on it. :) 

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It seems to be as described ie.

Italian labelled - meaning it has a label in Italian

violin - won't argue with that

master handmade - definitely handmade by someone who has to a greater or lesser degree mastered the art of violin-making

It is of course brand new but faked up to look old-ish

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At least in Germany there is an distinct difference between a master luthier and anybody calling himself luthier. The Meister is still protected (if I remember correctly the missing title got Mr. Hargrave rejected from the Innung in Germany (a shame)). 

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Interior looks a little too greyed to me. Rest of his listings are all "Italian labeled", which is the equivalent of foods being labeled all natural.

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Chinese with slightly Guadagnini-ish f hole.    At these kinds of prices why sellers will buy, modify, and resell these kinds of instruments is beyond my understanding.

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2 hours ago, Bill Merkel said:

I wonder if there really is such a thing as a "Chinese-y" look.  Maybe any well-made new violin would look Chinese.  So what are the Chinese-y traits?

 

2 hours ago, WorksAsIntended said:

Super sharp f holes, photo nice antiquing combined with medium quality purfling, shiny finish and boring wood maybe. 

More or less that, but to me it's something about the color and subsurface scattering on the varnish, and the patina (or lack thereof), it's really hard to fake that.

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So, as a noob, my take away from this is that I need to not make things too perfect - not that there is any chance of that. But, striving for perfectly smooth cuts, arches and finishes is a bad "chinese'y" thing... 

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The chinese look does include that they manage this part already very well. 

The picture above is a great example that good craftmanship is clearly not causing the chinese look, or any other example of the current makers galery in this forum. 

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4 hours ago, Frank Nichols said:

So, as a noob, my take away from this is that I need to not make things too perfect - not that there is any chance of that. But, striving for perfectly smooth cuts, arches and finishes is a bad "chinese'y" thing... 

...it worked for Del Gesu. ;)

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