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11 hours ago, Needviolinhelp101 said:

How can you tell a German made violin from an original Andreas Guarnerius 1718 violin. What are the specifics.  

There is a certificate but is it fake?   It all looks real 

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An original Andrea Guarneri, would look nothing like this for a start.
This picture is of a cheap mass produced German violin, from the early 20th C
. I would ignore the certificate, as this was likely printed out last week, at someone’s home, 5 mins after using Microsoft word.

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"How can you tell a German made violin from an original Andreas Guarnerius 1718 violin. What are the specifics.  "

Those of us who are somewhat experienced can tell from details like;

How the ribs are constructed, details on the scroll/pegbox, neck construction details, shape, varnish, and a bunch of other stuff.

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16 hours ago, Needviolinhelp101 said:

How can you tell a German made violin from an original Andreas Guarnerius 1718 violin. What are the specifics.  

There is a certificate but is it fake?   It all looks real

Original works by a famous artist e.g. Van Gogh's 'Sunflowers' are often in held by museums, wealthy collectors, in bank vaults etc. They are one of a kind and/or very rare pieces. They sell for eye watering amounts and their whereabouts are usually well known and recorded. If you have Van Gogh's 'Sunflowers' hanging on your wall it is a copy. (Unless you had splashed out millions of dollars at auction to purchase the acknowledged original)

It is similar with violins made by famous makers:  In the early C20th, hundreds of thousands of relatively inexpensive violins were produced in Europe bearing labels with the name of a well known maker. Sometimes this indicated a model type but often they were not even constructed in the same way as the original. Good quality copies and imitations do exist, occasionally to the point of fakery but to an expert who spends their time working with and studying these instruments, for various reasons, most will not look remotely like the original.

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15 hours ago, Wood Butcher said:

An original Andrea Guarneri, would look nothing like this for a start.
This picture is of a cheap mass produced German violin, from the early 20th C
. I would ignore the certificate, as this was likely printed out last week, at someone’s home, 5 mins after using Microsoft word.

I don't think from these pictures we can rule out French factory, It looks quite a bit like a JTL Speaking of needviolinhelp's violin, not the others.

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On 5/15/2021 at 5:08 PM, Needviolinhelp101 said:

What are the specifics.  

It would be pointless to explain the details, because you literally cannot tell the difference if you haven't trained your eye.  This takes years at best, but a lifetime to become a true expert.  Fortunately, you can get started today, for free, and become far more knowledgeable than the average person in a matter of hours.  

If you want to understand what we are seeing, the most productive thing you can do is pore over photos of authentic Andrea Guarneri violins and compare them to what you have.  It may also help to look at photos of German/French factory instruments.  Zoom in.  Hold your fiddle in good light.  Take some time with it.  Legitimate photos can be found from Tarisio and reputable violin shops.  There is also a plethora of photos (with pertinent discussions, no less!) on this site.  

I would add to the list of areas of interest: corners, Fs, and how the varnish wears.  

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