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Looking for this violin which was listed in the Lyon & Healy 1924
catalog.  I realize it's a fake, but am still interested in perhaps
purchasing it (obviously not for $500 - hah! won't go to 5 figures,
though)  Let me know ifyou know who might have it!  Thanks.
 
"SEBASTIAN KLOTZ, MITTENWALD, 1772. Number 6930. A
well developed model. Back, one piece birds-eye maple; top, spruce of the
choicest selection for tone. The varnish is of a brownish color. The
instrument is in a fine state of preservation and possesses a large tone
of beautiful quality. Price: $500"
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Yes 99.9% of family violins are "the usual". But the instrument in the L&H catalogue was probably something close to the description. Todays experts may not be bold enough to call it a "Sebastian", but I'll bet it was a nice old M-walder. Hard to find a nice clean one for under 5 figures retail these days, so you may be out of luck anyway.

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16 hours ago, Addie said:

Or, you can post images of this violin, so knowledgeable people can evaluate it, sans sales rhetoric.  

In the catalog it was probably a stock image of about rubber stamp quality.  Seems like a crazy hopeless quest.

But I remember when I was a little kid in the '60s there were these flyers or catalogs that were distributed to music stores, offering violins that are very expensive and desirable today, I mean that was the means of distribution if you weren't in the big city, and I suspect they were as genuine as current "genuine" offerings, or moreso.  Not incredibly expensive but more than anyone was going to gift to me...

 

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9 hours ago, gryffynda said:

The catalog actually has some pretty good plates of the more expensive instruments they were selling (see page 18, for instance).  But no pictures of the lower cost instruments. 

http://www.lyonhealy.com/pdfs/1924 Rare Old Violins.pdf

 

Thanks for the link to the file. That's really quite interesting.

Looks like any violin out of that cataloque might do just fine for me :-)

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This is very interesting indeed. $500 for a Kloz, and $1250 for a JB Vuillaume, Nicolo Amati $8500, other Amati family members around $3500, together with Gagliano and Lupot. The ratios have shifted massively to the disadvantage of Kloz violins.

They also describe the tone of their instruments - today I only see this occasionally in Bongartz' catalogues. Other auction houses seem to avoid tonal assessments, except for some top instruments for which we get a sound snippet from Brompton's.  

 

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On 4/17/2017 at 5:49 PM, gryffynda said:
On 4/17/2017 at 5:49 PM, gryffynda said:
 
I realize it's a fake, but am still interested in perhaps
purchasing it (obviously not for $500 - hah! won't go to 5 figures,
though)  Let me know ifyou know who might have it!  Thanks.
 
 

 

gryffynda,

I'm puzzled why you think it's a fake; also fascinated why this particular violin has caught your attention just from a description.

BTW, over the years I have been amazed at how some people respond to Maestronet, so there MAY be a little hope of finding it.  Good luck. 

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It was my impression from something I'd read or heard that Lyon & Healy was selling a lot of "models of" as if they were authentic at that time.  I could be wrong.  But that's a heck of a lot of expensive instruments to actually have on hand.  Also, my mother's pseudo-Guad came with a Lyon & Healy "Certificate of Authenticity".  The Klotz violin in the description may be the violin she traded for the pseudo-Guad, and I would like to have it as she said she sometimes regretted having traded it in.

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