1735 'Chardon' Del Gesu Guarneri Photos

[J.DiLisio]

Hello,  I am interested in the 1735 'Chardon' small violin.  I've found a few photos of details here.. https://www.pinterest.com/davidbeard4/1735-chardon-del-gesu-guarneri-small-violin/

Does anyone know where I can find more photos?  It would be nice to see the front of the instrument .  As I understand this is the best preserved example of del Gesu's workmanship. 

Also, I remember seeing a book on one of DG's small violins at the Stradivari museum a few years ago.  Does anyone know of it?  

[joshuabeyer]

This instrument is featured in the book Cremona 1730-1750: nell'Olimpo della liuteria, edited by Christopher Reuning; including standard pictures and measurements. It's a great book and decently priced.

A front view (only) is in the book The Schambach-Kaston Collection of Musical Instruments, published by Yale University, where it used to reside.

There are also some pictures on the website of the Osaka College of Music, where it currently resides. Though the pictures are not great and the site is a bit difficult to navigate.

Coincidentally, I am about to varnish a copy of this instrument (and there are some pictures on my website (linked in profile)).

[J.DiLisio]

Thanks for the leads Joshua!  

 I didn't have any luck finding the Osaka College photos but the Cremona 1730.. book looks promising.

Your copy looks really nice btw.  I'll be checking back to see it finished. 

[Bruce Carlson]

4 hours ago, DoorMouse said:

Hello,  I am interested in the 1735 'Chardon' small violin.  I've found a few photos of details here.. https://www.pinterest.com/davidbeard4/1735-chardon-del-gesu-guarneri-small-violin/

Does anyone know where I can find more photos?  It would be nice to see the front of the instrument .  As I understand this is the best preserved example of del Gesu's workmanship. 

Also, I remember seeing a book on one of DG's small violins at the Stradivari museum a few years ago.  Does anyone know of it?  

All the photographs displayed on the link were taken by me except for the one photograph with everyone standing around the display case. I can identify Dr. Bodini, the president of the Province of Cremona Giuseppe Torchio and Chris Reuning.

[J.DiLisio]

Bruce, those are excellent photos.  Do you happen to have any other shots of the front of the instrument or the scroll?

[Bruce Carlson]

2 hours ago, DoorMouse said:

Bruce, those are excellent photos.  Do you happen to have any other shots of the front of the instrument or the scroll?

I've given sets out to some makers I know with the promise not to publish on the web. I always was wary of repercussions from the owners. I would prefer to know who you are, even with a PM. Here's the belly. Bruce

[J.DiLisio]

Thanks Bruce! I'll be in touch.

 

[David Beard]

Hi Bruce,

Thanks so much for sharing this image, and the others you've put up over the years.   Your photos are visually excellent and sometimes oh so very detailed and clear..  But more important, very often what you share shows some aspect or detail of Cremona tradition that is other ways unavailable in the world.

Deepest thanks.

 

David

[Dwight Brown]

On 3/22/2017 at 1:39 PM, joshuabeyer said:

This instrument is featured in the book Cremona 1730-1750: nell'Olimpo della liuteria, edited by Christopher Reuning; including standard pictures and measurements. It's a great book and decently priced.

A front view (only) is in the book The Schambach-Kaston Collection of Musical Instruments, published by Yale University, where it used to reside.

There are also some pictures on the website of the Osaka College of Music, where it currently resides. Though the pictures are not great and the site is a bit difficult to navigate.

Coincidentally, I am about to varnish a copy of this instrument (and there are some pictures on my website (linked in profile)).

What is the tuning of this instrument (Violino Piccolo?)

 

DLB

[Bruce Carlson]

14 minutes ago, Dwight Brown said:

What is the tuning of this instrument (Violino Piccolo?)

 

DLB

Hi Dwight,

I don't know, we can only guess. It's most like a dancemaster's kit like the 1712 Stradivari (Fountaine), 1717 Stradivari (Clapission), 1720 Stradivari (Gillott) or the 1740 del Gesù (Fountaine).

Bruce

[Dwight Brown]

1 hour ago, Bruce Carlson said:

Hi Dwight,

I don't know, we can only guess. It's most like a dancemaster's kit like the 1712 Stradivari (Fountaine), 1717 Stradivari (Clapission), 1720 Stradivari (Gillott) or the 1740 del Gesù (Fountaine).

Bruce

Thanks Bruce!  I have always been very fuzzy on exactly what a Violino Piccolo was.

 

DLB

[Bruce Carlson]

9 hours ago, Dwight Brown said:

Thanks Bruce!  I have always been very fuzzy on exactly what a Violino Piccolo was.

DLB

Dwight,

There is a difference in Italian when you say violino piccolo instead of piccolo violino. A piccolo violino is a small or undersize violin but still tuned as a violin for children studying violin. A violino piccolo can have a different tuning such as in Monteverdi where he calls for a violino piccolo in the score of Orfeo.

Violino piccolo

Pochette or Kit

Bruce

[Dwight Brown]

2 hours ago, Bruce Carlson said:

Dwight,

There is a difference in Italian when you say violino piccolo instead of piccolo violino. A piccolo violino is a small or undersize violin but still tuned as a violin for children studying violin. A violino piccolo can have a different tuning such as in Monteverdi where he calls for a violino piccolo in the score of Orfeo.

Violino piccolo

Pochette or Kit

Bruce

I was thinking about the first one.  Such as the part in Brandenburg Concerto #1.  I wonder if it was written in concert pitch or as a transposing instrument?  I do not have a library or knowledge enough to know.

Thanks Again Bruce!

 

DLB

[finnfinnviolin]

Wow thanks for sharing! Amazing to see a del gesu with a 'clean' varnish! 

[Dwight Brown]

Now if we could just come up with a Del Gesu viola!!  Everyone needs to look under their beds!

 

DLB

[gowan]

3 minutes ago, Dwight Brown said:

Now if we could just come up with a Del Gesu viola!!  Everyone needs to look under their beds!

 

DLB

DG seems to have used the same form for most of his late violins so he might not be loath to use an already made form.  Since he worked in his family shop I would guess if he were to make a viola he might use a form from the shop, perhaps made by Andrea, so the instrument might be shaped like the Conte Vitale but finished in the DG style we know.  Maybe someone could make a viola like that for you.

[Dwight Brown]

I think Maestro Darnton does a viola where he enlarges a DG violin form and adds a bit down the middle. (I remember it this way, but I could be way off)

 

DLB

[Dwight Brown]

Sorry, It was Terry Borman that does a Del Gesu inspired viola model.

 

DLB

[Jacobus Drainer]

On 3/30/2017 at 6:58 AM, Dwight Brown said:

I was thinking about the first one.  Such as the part in Brandenburg Concerto #1.  I wonder if it was written in concert pitch or as a transposing instrument?  I do not have a library or knowledge enough to know.

In the autograph of that it is transposing a minor third.  The C instruments are playing in F but the violino piccolo is playing in D and sounding in F.  I guess the string length might be about from F on the D string to the bridge on a normal violin.  Don;t know what fractional size it corresponds to most.

[MikeC]

Are there more pictures of it somewhere?  Pinterest sucks

[Húslař]

[Húslař]

Guarneri del Gesu 1735 Chardon small violin head

 

[ernym]

7 hours ago, Húslař said:

Do you have a side view of this scroll?

[Húslař]

Unfortunately not... I found this one today in one of the videos from Kevin Lee.

[Dr. Mark]