Jeff White Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 I'm interested in what this Viola is. I originally was convinced it was a Markneukirchen, still may be. What has me a little thrown, has me thrown on some others I recognized as Marks. It's the corner rib miters. I see on this, and some others that the c bout is feathered and fit into the upper/lower bout ribs, indicating usually, a mold was used. I do understand that some of the Dutzenbeirt rib joins were shaped down from the outside to make them not look so thick, but this couldn't really be the case here. I also understand that there were a lot of better commercial name branded violins where made in Markneukirchen that were made with a mold (Roth, Heberlein etc). I guess what I'm asking is if some of the better Dutzenbeirt made where made with a mold? The finish and type of antiquing look very early 1900's mark to me, just thrown off by the rib miters. Scroll fluting goes pretty much to the end. Some of the cb's look to be fitted afterwards (as shown) and some do not (as shown). Help Jacob........... Oh, BTW, I have truly found the defination of happiness..... at least for this week. It's haveing the belly/sp patch (that was just removed) that some idiot put in to reinforce the unbiased, dirty cracks near the treble bridge foot on the outside, actually NOT set into the top. Thought this was going to be a nightmare, but just was overlaid. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 It looks as if an external mould was used, not unusual for Mnk of the assumed early 1900 period, especially for the quality shops. How long is the LOB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff White Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Blank face said: It looks as if an external mould was used, not unusual for Mnk of the assumed early 1900 period, especially for the quality shops. How long is the LOB? 398mm, BF, thanks for that. Can you elaborate with any other info about who/when the outside molds being used during that time? jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Dear Jeff, I agree with you that it would come out of the Markneukirchen area. One of the features I left off my list (inadvertant ommision) was the fairly characteristic colour of the stain they used on the inside. One should not forget that at some point, with the advances of industrialasion, the Schachtelmacher moved on to using an outside mould, which you can see Höfner usung here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY5qC42MO0k Which also involves 2 pc. bottom rib, and blocks with an equalateral triangle plan view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 See the wear at the top of that scroll? Anyone think it's real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff White Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Jacob, I found it interesting that in the video using the outside mold, that they left the ribs long, resulting in the same situation as a BOB would have in finishing off the ribs (double thickness and center seam). I'm guessing that the older outside mold makers weren't leaving the extra amount on the ribs and having an ending point within the mold. jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff White Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Violadamore said: See the wear at the top of that scroll? Anyone think it's real? Hmm, I was thinking that, that was an appropriate amount of wear for the age, maybe not???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jeff White said: Hmm, I was thinking that, that was an appropriate amount of wear for the age, maybe not???? Ummm, on a post-1900 viola, how would it get there? Note how sharp and clear the flute ends are, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff White Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Violadamore said: Ummm, on a post-1900 viola, how would it get there? Note how sharp and clear the flute ends are, BTW. Yeah, I'm just thinking kids laying it down on a hard suface for that last100 years. Maybe not, just never really questioned that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jeff White said: Yeah, I'm just thinking kids laying it down on a hard suface for that last100 years. Maybe not, just never really questioned that before. Possible, but anytime I see this on Markies or later, I consider it antiquing. I do have to admit, this old viola seems to have had a lot of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff White Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Just now, Violadamore said: Possible, but anytime I see this on Markies or later, I consider it antiquing. I do have to admit, this old viola seems to have had a lot of use. More abuse of an amature "fiddle fixer" than use............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jeff White said: More abuse of an amature "fiddle fixer" than use............... They didn't scoot the bridge feet back and forth for years. An amateur player probably did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Sorry for my ignorance, but isn't this the shape of triangle of the blocks with longer sides to the upper and lower rips that would typically result from inside mold construction? That's what I imagined when reading Mr Saunders blockology; without having seen examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff White Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 16 hours ago, Guido said: Sorry for my ignorance, but isn't this the shape of triangle of the blocks with longer sides to the upper and lower rips that would typically result from inside mold construction? That's what I imagined when reading Mr Saunders blockology; without having seen examples. to a degree, yes, but they typically are less equalateral than these on inside mold. Somewhat equalateral is what you should be thinking on fitted CB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I will probably get my ears pinned back, but it is kind of pretty. I rather like the varnish on the back at least from your pictures. If the top can be sorted out and the cleats replaced or refined in the correct places it may be a nice instrument for someone. Plant that viola! (viola farmer joke :-) ) DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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