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Rubén Pérez

Breton model violin. I would like to know a bit more... :) Thanks!

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14 minutes ago, Blank face said:

It's a common mistake (or misconception) to confuse auction prices with what's called "retail price" in a certain local market. They are following different logics, and the last can be a multiple of the first. Just search some of the upcoming auctions for similar instruments, and you might seeB).

Hi Blank Face!

I understand and agree. Maybe because bidders at auctions are not mainly musicians (I suppose bidders usually don't buy instrument for them, for their own use). But, as I saw in Amati website lots of "100$ estimated value violin",  the up to 2k valuation seemed me noticeable. Could I understood 2 hundreds instead of 2 thousands? :P No, no, he told it was a nice violin (2 times) ;) 

Thank you Blank Face!

Rubén

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23 minutes ago, martin swan said:

I wouldn't dispute for a minute that Mirecourt "violons d'étude" can be superb sounding instrument. I used to run by business quite happily on that exact premise!

However, sound and price are not related.

I don't blame you for becoming a bit defensive under our withering scrutiny of your violin, but I'm sure we're all happy to accept that it sounds great. The question is what it is and what it should be worth at retail and at auction. You have almost persuaded me that I should triple the price I charge for a Breton, but not quite ... :D

Hi Martin!!

Haha, I almost convinced you :) 

Seriusly speaking I totally agree with you. Sound and price are not related, as I told before, we all have tested "expensive" violins that sounds very average.

And what's more, "Breton Brevete" speaking, while looking on Internet for something similar to mine, it's true that I've seen too much low quality made violins (wood selection, craftmanship, etc.). So, I'm lucky for having found mine :P

Thanks for your answer!!! :)

Rubén

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47 minutes ago, martin swan said:

You have almost persuaded me that I should triple the price I charge for a Breton, but not quite ... :D

Maybe it would quite persuade you, that deflation is actually the biggest problem of the european economy, or the lack of deflation? Not to mention the devaluation of the Pound (and it might become harder..). I'm hoping for a trickle down effect<_<.

OTOH, I gave always a big discount to spanish dealers, believing that it's harder for them to realize a good price...I'm gonna overthink this, too.

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Here is a Le Petit Breton labeled violin in 1/8 size (French 1/4 I believe). It has the usual telltale damage to warrant a price point worthy of my reference collection of small old violins. 

Is this the standard JTL instrument circa 1910-1920 referenced earlier by the esteemed Mr. Swan or something else entirely? The label was placed so close to the edge that it is actually partially on the inner rib.

And is that black mold on the inside? If so do I need to do something about it if it’s laying around my apartment?

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That is a straigtforward crumby French factory Instrument. The dirt inside is what my ex-boss used to call "fliegen schiß" (fly shit). I would blow it out with my air compressor. If you don't have an air compressor handy, you can just throw in a few (dry) grains of rice, and shake it, untill the Rice has fallen back out again  (do that outside, 'cos you will get grief from Mrs. Bass Clef otherwise)

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After seeing that: here is a Nice violin:

Brothers Amati Violin Brothers Amati Violin

with apologies to Darnton and Hersh if this was copywrighted

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7 hours ago, hendrik said:

After seeing that: here is a Nice violin:

Brothers Amati Violin Brothers Amati Violin

with apologies to Darnton and Hersh if this was copywrighted

I thought the image of the underside of the  Le Petit Breton scroll might make some of you feel uneasy, be well friend.

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In defense of Bretons:  half size Breton violins can still have a very decent sound and projection. Don't know if quarter size outplay a cigar box or not.

Yes that scroll looks quite ugly , but i'm just realising that it is magnified a lot considering it is such a small instrument.

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This is not what we think of as a "Breton". It's some cheaper offshoot which is borrowing the name.

The only thing you can say about "Breton" is that it's a brand (literally a name or mark burnt into an object). If there's no characteristic Italic brand on the button, then it isn't a Breton.

Many workshops used the brand over a long period of time, and for varying qualities of work, in partial sizes too, but this violin is more rapidly/carelessly made than anything that carries a Breton brand.

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3 hours ago, martin swan said:

This is not what we think of as a "Breton". It's some cheaper offshoot which is borrowing the name.

The only thing you can say about "Breton" is that it's a brand (literally a name or mark burnt into an object). If there's no characteristic Italic brand on the button, then it isn't a Breton.

Many workshops used the brand over a long period of time, and for varying qualities of work, in partial sizes too, but this violin is more rapidly/carelessly made than anything that carries a Breton brand.

So the small sized one I posted cannot be traced back to JTL based on the label or otherwise? It’s just to be presumed to have originated in France from some factory pre -1930?

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11 minutes ago, BassClef said:

So the small sized one I posted cannot be traced back to JTL based on the label or otherwise? It’s just to be presumed to have originated in France from some factory pre -1930?

Ja, Blitzgneißer:rolleyes:

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I wouldn't be so hard judging this. It's not claimed to be a "Breton" but "Le Petit Breton", has a real inlaid purfling and is meant as a reference object within a row of fractionals, not for any musical purpose. Surely wasn't paid for more.:rolleyes:

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